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- Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
- Path: sparky!uunet!nestroy!news
- From: ddean@sapphire.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Drew Dean)
- Subject: Re: Solid Value, Rulers, and Copy Protection
- Message-ID: <1992Aug17.115356.8739@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at>
- Keywords: Pretty much on the money, a few more insights
- Sender: news@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at (NetNews)
- Reply-To: ddean@risc.uni-linz.ac.at
- Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien
- References: <1992Aug15.135953.374@count0.uucp>
- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:53:56 GMT
- Lines: 83
-
- In article <1992Aug15.135953.374@count0.uucp> cgb@count0.cmhnet.org
- (Charles G. Bennett) writes:
- > In article <1992Aug12.015856.13142@fsg.com> chuck@fsg.com (Chuck Yerkes)
- > writes:
- > >
- > > Having followed this thread for a while, I must comment on some
- things.
- > > I'm going to extrapolate a bit to all computer systems instead of just
- next.
- > [some stuff deleted]
- > > Quicken, at $60, is RARELY pirated. You can run a small business
- on
- > > it and it compares favorably with packages costing $500 or more. Its
- > > sold gazillions of copies.
- >
- > But don't forget market share, you can truly sell "gazillions" of
- Quicken
- > because there are gazillions^10 possible customers. If EVERY NeXT
- owner
- > bought (or could buy) Quicken your total sales would be about 2 million
- gross.
- > (40,000 * $50) most likey you would be lucky to get 10% so $200,000.
- Now they
- > would be HAPPY to NET 30% (after taxes and rent and programmers and 50%
- > discount to resalers) so they would be lucky to make $60,000.
- >
- > I realize that I'm playing fast and loose with the numbers, but I think
- you get
- > my point. It's no wonder that Quicken sold on the NEXT would sell for
- at
- > least $300.00.
-
- > Chuck Bennett, BenaTong Consulting
- > Palace Security (UNIX Consulting :-) )
- > cgb@count0.cmhnet.org
-
- Having worked for Intuit (I'm now in graduate school, no reflection on
- Intuit), I can add a few things. There are some things that I'd like to
- say but can't, so you'll just have to bear with me....
-
- The size of product development teams and time to market people have
- posted before are reasonably accurate, and certainly good enough for this
- discussion. However, the other factors haven't been quite so correct.
-
- With respect to size of market, Quicken for Windows sold 140,000 copies in
- the first 3 weeks it was available (that number is public, so I can quote
- it). Uh, I really like these black machines, but I don't think Next has
- sold that many machines in its life. Quicken for MS-DOS (horrible OS, but
- I think it's a great product :-)) has sold millions of copies in its life.
- With Intuit's pricing structure, they must sell lots and lots of software,
- so I don't expect to see Quicken on _any_ Unix workstation too soon.
- There just isn't the installed base, and the installed base is mostly in
- the wrong place: how many small businesses and/or individuals have Unix
- workstations in their homes ? It's not close to a million....
-
- It's not just product development that costs money -- Intuit is well known
- for its customer service....Experiment: buy Quicken, and call tech
- support. Do this multiple times. Compute the average length of time on
- hold. Intuit tracks how many calls get to a human in the first minute,
- and this is given every week in the Monday morning staff meeting. While I
- can't give hard numbers, I think it's safe to say that a Microsoft or
- Borland-like performance (I only use those as examples that I've been on
- hold with before, I'm sure others are equally as bad...) would get the
- tech support manager fired in a hurry. (See last year's Inc. magazine (I
- think) article for many more details) This type of support costs money,
- but Intuit's been _very_ successful with it -- they've been hiring lots of
- people in the last year (I'm told one of the tech support job fairs ended
- up on TV because the line was all the way around the building....).
-
- To do a NeXT product upto Intuit's standards would take much more than
- $200,000 (expected gross revenue). For a company of Intuit's size, at
- $300/copy (total revenue a little over $1 million), selling 40,000 copies
- of Quicken for NeXT wouldn't be worth it (that's like 2% or less of
- revenues). That might be quite a nice niche for a small company, though.
-
- To make it in the NeXT market, I think you need to be a small company,
- with great service, and a good product. Hopefully, you'll be able to grow
- with the market. But NeXT really needs to sell many more machines before
- mass market applications software for under $100 can take off....
-
- Drew Dean
- ddean@risc.uni-linz.ac.at
- Not speaking for RISC Linz or Intuit.
-