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- From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
- Subject: Re: Copy Protection
- Distribution: world
- Message-ID: <dillon.0l96@overload.Berkeley.CA.US>
- References: <dillon.0l5v@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> <1992Aug11.202724.2079@metrosoft.com>
- Date: 12 Aug 92 17:00:44 PST
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- In article <1992Aug11.202724.2079@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
- >In article <dillon.0l5v@overload.Berkeley.CA.US>
- >dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes:
- >>
- >> Disagree. The majority of people I know would buy it if they could
- >> afford it. It's more an issue of cost verses the financial standing of
- >>...
- >
- >While what you're saying does reflect the behavior of the society we're
- >in, it unfortunately adds legitimacy to the idea that if something isn't
- >priced the way you see fit you can steal it. Lowering the price to the
- >point where everybody is comfortable buying a piece of software is
- >financial suicide, particularly in small markets. If one took your
- >thoughts to heart there would be little reason to continue developing
- >software. If you price it at the point where you can AFFORD to continue
- >making products, people will steal it?
-
- Garbage in, Garbage out, just because the situation isn't ideal doesn't
- mean we should use different equations. We have to use equations based
- on the here-and-now, not the would-like-to-have-been. Discussing the
- problem doesn't add to the problem.
-
- >> Disagree. Even if you are caught, something on the order of making a
- >> copy or two of software X cannot be equated to the market price of the
- >> software for each infraction in terms of legal recompense. Unlike
- >>..
- >
- >So there is some threshold below which loss of revenue doesn't injure me
- >as a software developer? It's OK in small doses? Isn't that tantamount to
- >saying "Hey - we only took the stereo - we didn't take the whole car!"?.
-
- No, that isn't what I said at all. I was refering to two facts.. (1)
- pirating a single program will not and should not carry a 5 year jail
- sentence (or something of similar vein), and saying so is hardly an
- advocasy of piracy, and (2) people seem to believe that every pirated
- copy of so and so software equates to a lost sale in real monetary
- terms when, in fact, it does not. An overall percentage of pirated
- copies does, of course, but I very much doubt that percentage to be
- high at the consumer level (I expect it to be MUCH worse at the
- small-company/corporation level). This isn't to promote piracy...
- another problem is that SOME people like to jump on any statement that
- even remotely deflates the emphasis on losses due to piracy, even if
- it's closer to reality.
-
- >It's amazing to me that people can sit back and calmly rationalize
- >stealing at any level. Particularly in this community. I'm not aware of
- >any NeXT software developers that are operating on high margins. Even the
- >well-funded ones like Pages and AppSoft will need to pay back their
- >investors at some point (which will be QUITE some time from now). I'm
- >personally offended that there is intellectual debate that in any way
- >justifies theft.
-
- You can rest easy, you have made a classic misinterpretation of the
- debate.
-
- >community at large. Do you really feel that NeXT developers are pricing
- >things extravagantly high to reap massive profits? As far as I know we are
- >all trying to stay in business.
- >
- >Gordon
-
- I'd be interested in turnover statistics for NeXT developers, I would
- expect them to be high. The prices are so far out of range that they
- restrict the customer base to the point where a company cannot have any
- guarentee of a relatively stable inflow of cash. One advantage of a
- larger user base (inplies lower price) that has nothing to do with
- profit or loss is that you have a much greater ability to predict your
- cash inflow curve. If you can't survive with a predictable and
- constant cash inflow then you sure as peanuts will not survive with the
- inherently less predictable situation that occurs when you have a
- restricted customer base.
-
- -Matt
-
- >--
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- >Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045
- >Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome]
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