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- From: gsk@world.std.com (Geoffrey S Knauth)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
- Subject: Do you want free objects from FSF?
- Summary: Do you want free objects from FSF?
- Keywords: gnu objective-c free fsf
- Message-ID: <Bt8A6G.JuI@world.std.com>
- Date: 19 Aug 92 11:20:38 GMT
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- Sender: gsk@marble.com
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- Would you like to see free objects, libraries, palettes, toolkits,
- etc., from the Free Software Foundation?
-
- My question springs from the following personal observations:
-
- - GNU and the FSF have given the world some superb code
- that is freely distributable
- - good free software begets more free software
- - Objective-C has not taken the world by storm outside
- the NeXT community, but people are curious
- - the small size of the NeXT marketplace means that
- prices for commercial objects tend to be high
- - friends have talked about this for years
- - NeXT obviously cares, if they want an Object Catalog
- - I've seen very big companies admire NeXTstep, and then
- dismiss it because it appears to sit in a niche market
- - NeXT's many toolkits are proof that creative minds
- can do amazing things, but we, the consumers, have just
- not done enough producing (except for a few isolated
- geniuses and workaholics the net knows well), at least
- not enough to impress those outside the NeXT community
-
- I asked Richard Stallman what he thought. He said that this (free
- objects) is the purpose of libg++. He said that the suggested Free
- Object Foundation, if you will, would never happen unless I, or
- another, or many others, actually took charge and did the work. He
- also said that if we, the community, did make it happen, the FSF would
- be happy to include our works in its offerings.
-
- What do you, the community, think?
- Are commercial developers threatened by free software?
- What do our most successful NeXTstep developers think?
- Can we write software at least as good as GNU's, or NeXT's?
- Would this develop enough momentum to make a difference?
- Are current commercial offerings and the object catalog enough?
- Would we model objects on Smalltalk?
- Would we reinvent the Appkit? Do we only complement the Appkit?
- Can we create objects that don't depend on each other too much?
-
- I think we can appreciate what a free object world might be like, with
- its advantages and drawbacks, if we can imagine it is 1989 again, and
- we see NeXTstep's source code on every NeXT computer (rms would
- probably say, "any computer.")
-
- I'm not suggesting NeXT release their treasure--it would be financial
- and ideological suicide--but I am asking the community, "What are we
- adding to the value NeXT provides us? Will it be enough? Could it
- possibly be that we, or NeXT, want NeXT to be the only true provider?
- If so, what have we learned? If not, when will we act?"
-
- --
- Geoffrey S. Knauth, Marble Associates, Inc. Member BCS-NeXT, LPF
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