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- From: gsk@world.std.com (Geoffrey S Knauth)
- Subject: Gotham Users of NeXT (8/12)
- Message-ID: <BsxqpB.76I@world.std.com>
- Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
- Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:43:58 GMT
- Lines: 167
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- HADAR PEDHAZUR
- --------------
-
- The main speaker at the August 12 GUN meeting was Hadar Pedhazur, from
- the Union Bank of Switzerland. He spoke of 3.0, related the history
- of his involvement with NeXT, and gave some advice on developing apps
- in the financial marketplace.
-
- 3.0 IMPRESSIONS
-
- Hadar thinks 3.0 is very solid, from the user's perspective, and
- expects to upgrade his user machines to 3.0 as soon as he gets it.
-
- In 3.0PR1, he was disappointed with DBKit, but with 3.0PR2, he has
- more hope. DBKit does much of what businesses want: simple sorts,
- searches, joins. People who do very sophisticated things with
- databases may run up against DBKit's limitations. Nevertheless, Hadar
- said DBKit beginners were doing impressive things every day, and
- developers are busy writing adapters.
-
- He looks forward to using distributed objects a lot. At the moment,
- the NeXT computer is not the very fastest machine in the world, but
- with distributed objects, that may not matter, because the work can be
- spread around in new, creative ways. He's tried distributed objects.
- They're real, they work.
-
- As for the IndexingKit, Hadar thinks it's a great idea, but he's
- annoyed at the changes in Digital Librarian (between 2.x and 3.0PR2).
- DL's summary lines sometimes contain no useful information. [Also, DL
- still crashes from time to time when multiple targets are selected.]
-
- HISTORY
-
- When Hadar was introduced to the NeXT cube, he thought it was too
- slow, and rejected the platform. Because he thought NeXTstep was
- somehow more special than anything he'd seen before, he went to Dev
- Camp anyway--years ago--and was lucky to see a prototype 68040 that
- was 3x faster than the cube, so he stuck with NeXT. At Dev Camp,
- Steve Jobs pulled a prototype slab out of a black bag. Later it
- turned out the slab was made of wood, temporarily.
-
- Hadar makes Program Trading and Equity applications. According to
- Hadar, programming financial services apps is "not rocket science,"
- but sometimes you have to be clever, because timing is so critical.
-
- The biggest advantage he sees to NeXT is rapid development time. He
- also has numerous programmers who use NeXT computers successfully
- without knowing Unix--they concentrate their thoughts on the appkit.
- He says this is not be possible on a Sun (you have to know Unix).
-
- The longest he's seen it take someone get up to speed on NeXTstep is
- two months. That person is now a super programmer. He's also seen
- people get their arms around NeXTstep in two weeks.
-
- ADVICE
-
- Hadar recommends FAME for any kind of time-series database work.
-
- When writing object-oriented software, don't try to design the perfect
- object hierarchy on your first pass, or you'll never finish your
- application. You really learn what the right objects should be
- through trial and error. Be patient. Get something working first.
-
- Let your programmers play with the machine and get a feel for it.
- Initially, they will write ridiculous programs that bear no
- resemblance to what you want. Don't worry. Soon enough they will
- turn play into productivity. Again, be patient.
-
- He likes the Perl programming language, and uses it a lot.
-
- A member of his group wrote an application for bank XXX in three
- months using NeXTstep, and this application is still in use.
- Meanwhile, XXX dumped NeXT, and nearly wasted six persons times 1.5
- years developing a Smalltalk-based application on a Sun, which turned
- out to be a flop. [This is interesting, because another institution
- is considering a similar approach.]
-
- On the topic of Smalltalk, it is nifty, but it also wants to own your
- machine. If you make any calls external to the Smalltalk environment,
- expect your machine's performance to drop precipitously.
-
- Hadar related an interesting training story. Two programmers from
- London came to New York, to verify that the wonderful NeXT custom
- applications they were seeing were not so much fluff. They spend two
- days, Thursday and Friday, just watching New York programmers go about
- their work, i.e., using Interface Builder, Digital Librarian, Emacs,
- gdb, etc. The Londoners brought their PC apps on floppy, and on
- Saturday and Sunday, reproduced their PC applications under NeXTstep.
- Hadar spent two hours getting them "unstuck" now and then, but that
- was it. The Londoners were delighted with the four-day experiment,
- and Hadar learned an important lesson: that the promised NeXT
- productivity is there if you can somehow make sure a resource is
- available to unstick a momentarily stuck mind. With one mentor
- around, newcomers can become productive quickly.
-
- GEORGE CUMMINGS
- ---------------
-
- George Cummings, in charge of Sales for the Northeast United States,
- spoke next.
-
- J.P. MORGAN
-
- He started by commenting on the recent news that J.P. Morgan had
- decided not to standardize on the NeXT platform at this time,
- preferring a combination of Sun and Macintosh computers. George said
- NeXT will win back the Morgan account, but it might take a
- while--perhaps a year. He said part of the problem was that there
- were 25 NeXT programmers at JPM, against 300 Macintosh and 250 Sun
- programmers, and that JPM had a lot of existing investment in
- architecture to consider. [JPM also commented in a securities
- publication that it was unsure of the portability of Objective-C.] On
- the good side, he said that JPM fully appreciated the technical
- capabilities of NeXT computers. The loss of JPM is a blow to NeXT,
- but George said NeXT will reveal several buyers of equal stature to
- JPM in the next 90-120 days, so keep the faith.
-
- 3.0 -- 3.0 will ship in two weeks (end of August).
-
- 4.0 vs. more NeXTstep ports
-
- Numerous persons are planning 4.0 at NeXT, where 4.0 has a higher
- priority than porting NeXTstep to more hardware platforms. The reason
- for this is economic reality. Support for lots of platforms is
- expensive, and NeXT would prefer to continue innovating. If money
- were no object, though, NeXT would spend more resources porting
- NeXTstep to new platforms.
-
- NeXTstep-486 -- NeXTstep-486 is expected to ship in 1Q93.
-
- NRW -- NRW apparently is a code name for new hardware from NeXT.
- George kept mum about this, except to utter the party line, which is,
- "NeXT will never fall behind the industry's performance curve."
-
- DATA GENERAL
-
- NeXT has recently partnered with Data General. The purpose of this is
- to make use of Data General's extensive sales force, 1200 strong,
- which reaches many markets new to NeXT. DG would like to promote the
- idea of NeXT computers on the desktop attached to DG's Avion servers.
- The marketplace likes Avion servers, but has not embraced Avions on
- the desktop.
-
- SUN
-
- George said that Sun isn't all bad. For one thing, Sun is doing a lot
- to legitimize Unix on the desktop. [See NT below!]
-
- As for porting NeXTstep to the Sun SPARCstation, apparently Steve Jobs
- said NeXT would do the port "if `they' will pay for it."
-
- MICROSOFT NT
-
- This wasn't said at the meeting, but after dinner later in the
- evening. Two experts I respect have said very positive things about
- NT. The scariest thought, according to one, was that NT could be a
- "Unix killer." In other words, Microsoft may have finally achieved
- technical sophistication. Steve Jobs has called NT a "Unix wannabe."
- But if he's wrong, imagine a world without Unix, and try to figure
- your place in it, or what you'll do about it.
-
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- (c) 1992 G.S. Knauth <gsk@marble.com>
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