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- From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
- Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
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- In article <Bt4x5K.9vI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney) writes:
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- |> Anyway, there is an extreme the other way. The "Scheme only" schools won't
- |> get my praise, either. I think that learning the theoretical computer
- |> science is nice, but it won't get you a job.
-
- Actually, people here in course six haven't really seen the trouble that the
- news says is hitting college graduates elsewhere. Companies know that after
- finishing 6.001 it takes all of an hour to learn a new language. The only
- other way to develope this skill is to do it the way I did before I got to
- MIT, learn lots of languages and spent alot of time using them. 6.001 embues
- it in one semester. Groups software engineering comes from 6.170 (I don't agree
- with how they teach it [in fact I think it sucks], but from an employer's
- standpoint it does its job.) and after a grand total of 420 hours including
- all homework and classes you are more than capable of doing real world work.
-
- The point I generally make with this is that an undergraduate degree is NOT
- NECESSARY to program in the real world. A skilled software engineer can make
- up the difference between him and a college educated programmer very quickly
- and if all you want to do is get a job programming, wasting four years
- opportunity cost and tuition on college is a HUGE mistake.
-
- |> Sadly, alot of people are trying to push their opinions off on others in
- |> this area. If I pay a school to educate me in the area of Computer Science,
- |> I expect to be able to get a job when I get out. If I wanted to become a
- |> professor later, I might have more appreciation of theory, but few people
- |> want to take that direction.
-
- It is reasonable to assume, that anybody who decides to major in computer
- science is after more than just learning to program in many languages on many
- platforms. Any fool can do that.
-
- |> Depending on what you plan to do in the real-world, C is necessary. Fortran
- |> is still used at alot of lab-type places. COBOL is, unfortunately, still used
- |> extensively in the business world. The push to C is on, though. Also, with
- |> database work, 4GL's are coming up that are easy to learn in a week, but offer
- |> great flexibility, and portability. And, of course, the military uses ADA.
- |>
- |> Dead languages include Pascal and friends. Lisp and Scheme aren't used much
- |> in the real world. And, wierd languages such as RPG, PL/I, and BLISS are
- |> pretty much unknown nowadays.
-
- Lisp (and variants) are used about as much as COBOL and for the same reason.
- There were times when they were popular, and people got stuck with them.
-
- The primary problem with your view of languages is that they are becoming
- increasingly useless. There are presently many major efforts out there to
- bring programming to a higher level of abstraction. NeXT is doing this for
- the business world and there are at least three other major efforts that will
- catch up within five years. I give this approach of learning many languages
- a maximum of 10 years before its largely useless. What will the person who
- wasted four years on learning many languages do then. If you can't sit down
- with the new software and learn to use it in a week (or as Mr. Jobs argues,
- sit down with the new library of NeXTstep objects and learn to understand
- them) you will be obsolete. All the COBOL in the world won't help you unless
- you are able to adapt instantly.
-
- Jason W. Solinsky
-