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- Subject: Summary:Q: What are the speed of I/O bus on 386 and 486 machines?
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- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:32:50 GMT
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- This is the summary of what I have received. I appreciate who helped me.
- I hope it may help others too.
-
-
- ------------- My posting --------------------------------------------------
-
- Subject: Q: What are the speed of I/O bus on 386 and 486 machines?
-
- Hi! netters,
-
- This is the second try for the similar problem but more specific.
-
- I have two memory cards installed on my 286-8 machine. Each cards have
- 150ns and 120ns chips respectively.
-
- My question is "Will it work on the faster machines i.e. 386/33 or 486/33?"
-
- Different people gave me totally different answers.
-
- 1. Since I/O bus speed is always 8 Mhz despite of the cpu speed, the memory
- card will work but slow.
- My question for this theory is then : If I change the chips for the
- faster one,say 53ns, will it make the difference on running Windows as an
- example?
-
- 2. I/O bus speed is different from cpu to cpu. 386 machines use 16Mhz I/O
- bus and EISA machines use 32Mhz I/O bus speed ( I asked him if he was
- confused between bus width(bits) and speed(Mhz). He confirmed that it's speed).
- My question for this theory is then : How come memory board advertise-
- ment doen't specify the appropriate CPU? How about 486?
-
- I have to make it clear that I fully understand that I have to use appropriate
- chips for the specific speed of CPU WHEN the chips are installed on MOTHER-BOARD. My question is when the chips are installed on the memory card.
- I also understand that some proprietory memory cards (usually non-standard
- 32 bit card) runs as fast as chips on the motherboard.
-
- Thank you for you help in advance.
-
- ------------What I received -----------------------------------------------
-
- From: REE700A@MAINE.BITNET
-
- EISA is 8.25 MHz x 4 Bytes = 33 MBytes/sec. Your friend is brain dead.
-
- On the other hand, bus speeds (ISA) do vary from system to system. A low
- speed of 8 MHz and a high speed of Sys_clock are allowed on various systems
- that I have seen. The most common settings for ISA speeds hover around the
- 8-12 MHz range. Placing 53 nS RAM on those boards won't help, the board
- itself will most likely limit you to the speed it was originally built for.
-
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
-
- >1. Since I/O bus speed is always 8 Mhz despite of the cpu speed, the memory
- >card will work but slow.
-
- That's the right answer, though "slow" is a bit weak. "Glacial" perhaps.
-
- > My question for this theory is then : If I change the chips for the
- >faster one,say 53ns, will it make the difference on running Windows as an
- >example?
-
- It'll make no difference at all. The speed rating on the chips is the
- miniumu cycle time at which they promise the chip will work. The actual
- cycle time at which the chip runs depends on the system it's installed in.
-
- >2. I/O bus speed is different from cpu to cpu. 386 machines use 16Mhz I/O
- >bus and EISA machines use 32Mhz I/O bus speed
-
- Typical bus speed these days for a 386 and better is 8 MHz since nobody
- (except maybe you) puts memory on the I/O bus any more. EISA buses can
- indeed run at 32 MHz but only when using an EISA memory card.
-
- > My question for this theory is then : How come memory board advertise-
- >ment doen't specify the appropriate CPU? How about 486?
-
- Generic memory cards are for 16 bit 286 machines. As noted above they'll
- work in faster machines but very slowly. Most 386 and 486 motherboards
- now have sockets for enough motherboard RAM that there's little call for
- memory expansion cards for them. For instance, my 486 EISA board can take
- 32 MB and it'll be a long time before I need more than that.
-
- Regards,
- John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: bich@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Bich Tran)
-
- I/O speed is ALWAYS 8Mhz regardless of the CPU. That's how they can maintain
- the compatability across the x86 Intel platform. Since each I/O cycle takes
- from 3-4 BCLK (8MHz), the proper access time of DRAMS is much less than 127ns.
- The possible difference between computers is in the I/O wait state, with
- the fastest running with no wait state, hence 3 BCLK for each I/O. So if
- the memory board inyour 286-8 is running with 1 wait state ( the system
- inserts 1 extra clock in 1 I/O bus cycle), and your new system has no wait
- state I/O bus, the memry can lock up. Changing to faster DRAMs may or may not
- help since the timing on the memory board may be slow to catch up with the bus.
- So please check the memory board manual for thing like wait state.
-
- bich
-
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-