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- From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
- Subject: teledisk observations.
- Message-ID: <1992Aug18.015903.11141@news.columbia.edu>
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- Organization: Columbia University
- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:59:03 GMT
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- Teledisk apparently does corrupt certain disk images using the so-called
- "advanced" compression, but there is a companion program TDCHECK to use
- to ensure the file is viable.
-
- I can't make an RX50 corrupt however, so using this program should make the
- program viable to use for our purposes, as long as TDCHECK is used to ensure
- the validity of the image file.
-
- There is another problem with TELEDISK that doesn't apply to RX50: FDFORMAT
- diskettes for high-capacity PC usage. The standard high-density 3.5" diskette
- yields 80 tracks x 2 sides x 18 sectors/side or exactly 1.44 MBytes. By
- using a 2:1 interleave, it is legitimate to cut the trailing gap down because
- the "cool-down" area becomes the sector you are skipping over, thus allowing
- 21 sectors, and also you can use 82 tracks. This gives a total capacity of
- 1.72 MBytes.
-
- TELEDISK attempts to copy this disk into an image file, and generally does
- succeed wrt the CRC problem reported, but it creates a disk whose contents
- is entirely low-level formatted correctly, and entirely *wrong*! It has
- been confirmed that the formatting is correct though, so it would seem to
- be a bug as opposed to a limitation. Note that for this particular format,
- it is possible to use alternate means to accomplish what TELEDISK does:
-
- From FDFORMAT, there is a companion utility called WIMAGE.
-
- You can create an image of any standard DOS disk, including all of the
- FDFORMAT variations, such as the 1.72 Meg diskette. Usage is:
-
- WIMAGE D: file
-
- to create an image file, or
-
- WIMAGE file D:
-
- to create a diskette from a file.
-
- The diskette must already be formatted, and the file isn't compressed. This
- allows us to use any compression method we choose, which is more versatile
- than the two options offered by TELEDISK. But the diskette has to be an
- MS-DOS one, and only the kind recognized by FDFORMAT. For example, FDFORMAT
- doesn't recognize Rainbow/DECmate MS-DOS since it uses an alternate when
- dealing with RX50 80 track 10 sector format. This alternate format isn't
- recognized on the DECmate or Rainbow, and on a PC is accessed directly and
- without a driver. And of course, non-DOS disks are out of the question.
-
- DR-DOS 6.0 offers another method:
-
- DISKCOPY and DISKCOMP will recognize any MS-DOS disk that is accessible,
- including MS-DOS RX50 diskettes accessed by RAINDOS (curiously, not by
- RX50DRVR). Contrast this with MS-DOS that only recognizes standard disk
- sizes.
-
- Thus it is possible to do pretty much the same thing here:
-
- DISKCOPY B: file
-
- or
-
- DISKCOPY file B:
-
- The overall operation is similar to WIMAGE. The files created are slightly
- longer because of some internal overhead, and aren't compatible with WIMAGE.
-
- DISKCOMP is compatible with these files from DISKCOPY. Again, the restriction
- is that the files have to be valid MS-DOS files, which is marginally less
- restrictive than WIMAGE, since compatible MS-DOS RX50 is allowed. Output
- target diskettes must be correctly preformatted, as with WIMAGE, but are
- not checked for pre-existing DOS information. Thus a frill feature is
- achieved: you can copy an RX50 MS-DOS diskette to another RX50 diskette
- (perhaps indirectly through an intermediate file) where the target RX50
- diskette was formerly used for non-DOS purposes. (WIMAGE complains if
- the high-level format of the target diskette is different from the high-level
- format of the file.)
-
- Thus TELEDISK is still needed for dealing with the myriad formats of RX50
- that aren't DECmate/Rainbow MS-DOS high-level format. This includes:
-
- All OS/278 variants including most DECmate install diskettes, test diskettes,
- CBI diskettes, etc., as well as OS/278 itself (DM-101,DM-111) and other
- DECUS distributed diskettes.
-
- CP/M-80 diskettes on DECmate (PRO?)
-
- CP/M-86/80 diskettes on Rainbow
-
- DECmate Master Menu volume backup format
-
- P?S/8 diskettes (two varieties)
-
- COS-310 diskettes
-
- WPS-8 diskettes
-
- WPS-8 system diskettes
-
- WPS-8 utility diskettes
-
- WPS-8 DECspell diskettes
-
- WPS-8 autopatch diskettes
-
- VENIX diskettes
-
- FILES-11 (RMS) diskettes
-
- Anyone want to add to this list?
-
- Moreover, some of these diskettes require non-standard stagger and interleave
- factors applied, in zones in some cases. Teledisk does support these
- format variations. Thus I don't see a replacement for TELEDISK being available
- that serves all of this.
-
- cjl
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