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- From: s37732v@vipunen.hut.fi (Markus Juhani Aalto)
- Subject: Re: Programming Tools (was: Amiga programmers UNITE)
- In-Reply-To: utoddl@guitar.oit.unc.edu's message of Tue, 11 Aug 1992 15:37:35 GMT
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- References: <1992Aug10.223432.27395@CS.ORST.EDU> <1992Aug11.153735.10768@samba.oit.unc.edu>
- Date: 12 Aug 92 18:58:53
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- In article <1992Aug11.153735.10768@samba.oit.unc.edu> utoddl@guitar.oit.unc.edu (Todd M. Lewis) writes:
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- In article <1992Aug10.223432.27395@CS.ORST.EDU> divineg@prism.cs.orst.edu
- (Glade Diviney) writes:
- > What kinds of tools _DO_ they have? Maybe an integrated C environment?
-
- The Interface Builder on the NeXT is an extremely powerful tool for
- (you might guess) building user interfaces. The debugger is also
- pretty good. That coupled with several hi-level IPC capabilities (cut
- and paste just about anything anywhere, drop-in text editor, etc) make
- it hard to make a program look bad even if it is.
-
- Does that interface builder allow you to make interfaces which
- automatically adapts to different fonts etc...
-
- Making good interface with GadTools takes still too long and is too
- annoying. hmm. Maybe someone should write better library than gadtools
- is with BOOPSI classes.
-
- The idea for the Amiga is to create tools that make it easier to create
- good looking (and perhaps good) programs than it is to make ugly ones. It's
- still too easy to write gaud-awfull looking programs on the Amiga.
-
- Well it isn't easy to make awfull looking interfaces with GadTools but
- it is easy to make badly behaving interfaces.
-
- Agreed! GadToolsBox is a great start but it doesn't allow you to make
- completely font independent interfaces (if I remember right).
-
- As for your integrated C environment, the new SAS product looks very good.
- You still have to write C code eventually, but it does seem to remove
- as much or more of the associated pain from the process as any other
- set of tools I've seen. (And I'm a Manx fan from way back.)
-
- Do you mean V5.1b?
-
-
- Todd M. Lewis / utoddl@guitar.oit.unc.edu
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