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- From: Erik_Brown@transarc.com
- Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
- Subject: Re: >>>>>>> Most Widely Used Language?
- Message-ID: <seZHlOz0BwwZ9f8wIy@transarc.com>
- Date: 21 Aug 92 10:56:26 GMT
- Article-I.D.: transarc.seZHlOz0BwwZ9f8wIy
- References: <ssimmons.714403117@convex.convex.com>
- Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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- In-Reply-To: <ssimmons.714403117@convex.convex.com>
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- ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons) writes:
- > COBOL and FORTRAN are still the most dominant languages today in terms
- > of code that has been written (and running). However, I think that
- > C is now the dominant language for new code underdevelopment. Both
- > COBOL and FORTRAN are the languages on the old mainframes and mini-computers.
- > C is really dominant in both the Unix and PC worlds. Whatever?!?!?
-
- You say "I think that...." I assume this means you're not really
- sure. I'm not really sure, either, but I do note the following:
-
- - Many supercomputer tasks are still written in FORTRAN (see,
- for example, this month's CACM).
- - My company is in on-line transaction processing (OLTP), and
- you don't have a good OLTP product unless you can support
- COBOL integration and development.
- - For the 1990 Census, the Census Bureau wrote a brand-new
- program in FORTRAN to compile and present census data.
-
- I'm sure many other recent-day examples exist. Regardless of the
- "hacker" viewpoint, COBOL and FORTRAN are widely used languages even
- today. I don't know if they are the *most* widely used.
-
- > Most application software is not very complex in terms of system programming.
- > Therefore, both FORTRAN and COBOL fit this paradigm nicely. However, both
- > FORTRAN and COBOL programmers should be nervous because many of these
- > jobs are being exported to countries like India and South Korea.
-
- I think many FORTRAN programs are much more complex than most C
- programs. I think you might be wrong on this point. You may be wrong
- for COBOL as well, since size breeds complexity, and supporting and
- enhancing a huge COBOL program would be a complex task indeed.
-
- > Only a few years ago, there were these Data Processing Institutes that would
- > churn out COBOL programmers. These programmers did not necessarily have
- > either college, engineering, or mathematic backgrounds. As a summer job
- > 8 years ago, I worked for a company that did product development on
- > mainframes. Most of my fellow employees were trained at these places.
- > They were good at what they did.
-
- I think many institutes still do this. Whole companies exist to train
- people to program on IBM's CICS system, still one of the most widely
- used pieces of software available. In CICS, most (if not all)
- development is solely in COBOL.
-
- I am not arguing that COBOL and FORTRAN are better than new, "modern"
- languages, but your "I think" post may be way off the mark (I think).
-
- Anybody out there know of some real statistics?
-
- -eeb
-