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- From: PCOEN@DREW.DREW.EDU (Paul Coen)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: Re: Will lmf kill alpha?
- Message-ID: <01GNSEQJ6BGW0011OO@drew.drew.edu>
- Date: 20 Aug 92 07:44:00 GMT
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- >Will lmf kill alpha?
- >
- >A while ago somebody asked if it is necessary to install lmf 1.1.
- >
- >Somebody else answered dec had good products an bad products - unfortunately
- >lmf belonged to the latter.
- >
- >My understanding is that VMS and ultrix is not widely used in universities and
- >other research institutions compared to other unix derivations because of the
- >administrative overhead caused by correctly using lmf.
-
- What? That's odd. We've had our share of annoyances with products
- expiring here and there, but I'd hardly say that the product is "hard to use."
- At the moment, I've been a stopgap system manager here at Drew, and it took
- me about five minutes to figure out how the license utility works under
- VMS. When the issue came up under ultrix, it was mearly a case of finding
- out that the command was lmf. (Well, and entering the PAK information using
- vi wasn't exactly a treat.)
-
- I can't speak for research institutions, but our experience here with
- the license utility under VMS (it seems to be used more extensivly on the
- VMS side than the Ultrix side still) has been fine. We are part of the
- CSLG (Campus Software License Grant) program, which means that once
- a year, we copy a com file that builds a new license database for most
- of Digital's VMS software. We still have to enter PAK's for products that
- aren't covered, or older products that Digital has discontinued (the
- old Lisp, for example), but that we have indiviual PAK's for.
-
- You can go into the lmf utility and print out a list of when things
- expire (if they expire). It's not really difficult. I'd rather have
- a central utility with a license database, rather than every package
- having its own, built-in key, a key that will make it blow up on x, y,
- or z date. Updating a license with the VMS Patch command always struck
- me as kind of cheezy, on packages where that was needed.
-
- Anyway, any organization that bases the decision on the "difficulty" of using
- a license utility is really looking at things in an odd way. Price/performance,
- the availablility of software, and vendor support are three things that I'd
- rate higher than that -- and Digital does pretty well in all three areas.
- Alpha should boost the first two, and I expect that the third will continue.
- I can't really see an organization not going with Alpha because of lmf --
- especially since Alpha could be running operating systems that don't
- HAVE lmf. Remember -- Digital is selling the chips to other manufacturers.
-
- Not getting VMS or Ultrix because of lmf would probably be similar to not
- buying a car because that particular model has an ignition keyhole that
- is a little clumsy to put the key into in the dark. And it's not
- very clumsy at that.
-
- I'm sure that there are lmf horror stories, but I've had pretty good luck with
- it. I could see that an organization that doesn't like the software
- licensing policies could opt to go with another vendor, but that has nothing
- to do with lmf itself -- that's pricing and marketing. And as I mentioned
- above, Universities can get a rather attractive licensing package.
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