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- From: AV@vnet.ibm.com (Anton Versteeg)
- Message-ID: <19920823.064503.185@almaden.ibm.com>
- Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 15:16:44 CET
- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Subject: Re: I've seen NT......and I'll take OS/2 2.0 thanks!
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- Organization: IBM Uithoorn - Netherlands
- Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
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- References: <1992Aug14.202253.33580@watson.ibm.com> <1992Aug16.063037.3621@microsoft.com> <OLAVT.92Aug22215004@ulrik.uio.no>
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- In <1992Aug22.153645.8453@hellgate.utah.edu> Brian Sturgill writes:
- >In article <OLAVT.92Aug22215004@ulrik.uio.no> olavt@ulrik.uio.no (Olav Torvund) writes:
- >>(I have not seen NT, just read that the following information was
- >>given to developers recently:)
- >>
- >
- >>- It will not be possible to run all existing DOS and Windows programs
- >>under NT.
- >>
- >>- DOS and Win 3.1 (!) programs that do direct disk access or uses
- >>expansion boards will not run under NT.
- >This is true. PC Week has a good supplement this week on OS/2 2.0 and
- >Windows NT. In the end it is not possible to have C2 security and allow
- >programs to directly access hardware. OS/2 chose not to have the security
- >thus allowing programs to access the hardware (which can (and does) allow
- >DOS programs to crash the OS, or otherwise do naughty things).
- >
- >Windows NT forces programs to go through intercepted hardware accesses that
- >are bounds checked, and then performed for the program. This of course
- >is slower, and only those device registers directly accounted for in the
- >DOS subsystem can be used. As I've said before OS/2 has NT beat hands
- >down in this ONE area. Again, referring back to my recent post proposing
- >the direction OS/2 should go in.... OS/2 should seek the middle ground.
- >Keep the DOS compatibility, and concentrate specifically on the Desktop
- >user's needs. OS/2 would need to lessen it's DOS support too if it were to
- >try to fill the same area that NT is trying to fill (i.e. "real" security).
- >NT has at least a two year lead getting symmetric multiprocessing and heavy-duty
- >networking, and other high-end features in... OS/2 is better off not trying
- >to be an NT-wannabe.
- >
- Sorry, I disagree with all you are posting here.
- Are you suggesting that IBM should drop Lan Server (the 3.0 beta test
- just started this week) and Extended Services?
- Come on, you must be joking. Also, I fail to see why you cannot have
- compatibility with DOS apps and security. The fact that NT doesn't
- give it, doesn't mean it cannot be done. The DOS VDM's in OS/2 2.0
- are capable of more than you seem to know about it.
- About SMP: You must have missed the IBM/Parellan announcement.
- What MS lead are you talking about?
- Also don't forget the parallel database technology demo, IBM showed
- on Comdex, fall 1990, running on OS/2.
- Finally you seem to forget all about additional security that can be
- obtained using client/server technology.
- An 'NT wannabe': that will be difficult. It's more NT that tries to
- become an 'OS/2 wannabe'.
-
- >>
- >>- Microsoft will no longer give any release date for NT (What a
- >>surprise - it seems like it is delayed!)
- >What an odd thing to say, Microsoft has never given a release date for NT...
- >to this point, not even for the beta. The program development schedule
-
- (lines deleted)
- Perhaps not, but for how long are we now hearing about NT?
- And maybe there never was an official announcement, but MS folks
- have been publicly mentioning all kind of dates.
- >
- >>
- >>Olav Torvund
- >>Oslo, Norway
- >>Olavt@jus.uio.no
- >
- >Brian
- >
-
- Anton Versteeg - IBM - Uithoorn Netherlands - TEAMOS2 NL
-