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- From: danielce@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Daniel AMP Carosone)
- Subject: Linux Standards (was: Stabilizing Linux)
- Message-ID: <danielce.713926038@munagin>
- Followup-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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- Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
- References: <1992Aug6.125441.22427@klaava.Helsinki.FI> <Bt1u3u.3zv@world.std.com>
- Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 00:47:18 GMT
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- +------(David Boyce)----------------------------------------
- |
- | Anyway, this seems, to me at least, to solve everyone's problems:
- | the hackers can go on hacking and acquiring new software as quickly
- | as they can ftp it, the "users" buy the CDROM or floppies. The
- | "Keep Linux FREE!!!!!" contingent will sleep better at night knowing
- | those commercial vendors are doing some work for their money,
- | the vendors get exclusive access to the non-internet community,
- | and those who have ftp access get the best of both worlds
- | by being able to ftp the CDROM bits for "free". And those of
- | us on c.o.l who have opinions galore but lack either the time
- | or the talent to contribute anything else, can get to work
- | on wrangling over the LID.
- |
-
- Thankyou. This is an excellent suggestion. And well put.
-
- Even ignoring the factions and parties building releases, it is an
- excellent idea to have a standards document to which releases must
- conform rather than a release to which the standard must conform. I
- have not been following the discussions on the Linux Standards list, I
- wonder if the current efforts there are this ambitious? This is surely
- the best place to direct followup conversation on this matter.
-
-
- +------(David Boyce)----------------------------------------
- |
- | To summarize: issuing releases is an incredible drag. Especially
- | the ones after the first. The problems are caused by the requirements
- | of paying customers. Thus, I think the burden is best left to
- | those who have said customers. Let them also take charge of when new
- | releases are required, release nomenclature, packaging, etc.
- | Since Linux is freely distributable, we can "steal" their work
- | right backs for our purposes.
- |
-
- Cygnus seems to be doing quite well. And the world is doing quite well
- out of Cygnus, in pretty much exactly the way you describe above.
- Anyone who has built gcc, gdb, libg++, or any of the number of other
- GNU programs that come with the Cygnus `configure' script can attest
- to this (especially if you are on a known system).
-
- All of this is not only within the limits of what is allowed by the
- GNU Copyleft -- it is sound proof of one of the basic tenets of the
- philosophy behind it: You don't need to force people into restrictions
- on how they use software (or any information) in order to make money
- from it.
-
- What many people miss is that GNU is an alternative economy for the
- software industry, not an alternative to the software industry.
-
- I've actually been wondering whether or when Cygnus will pick up
- Linux, perhaps they're working on it, perhaps they are waiting for
- some more development, quite possibly they are too busy with the
- wealth of other Free Software. They are certainly aware of Linux, and
- must be considering taking it up. Commercially-minded people take
- note.
-
- Followups on this matter, as always, to gnu.misc.discuss. The headers
- for this article point there.
-
-
- One other point: In all this discussion, we have been referring to the
- aims and rules of the GNU copyleft. While the license conditions for
- Linux are the same as for the GNU copyleft, they have not always been.
- The original license conditions forbade any money to change hands over
- Linux. (perhaps in those early days Linus thought it wasn't worth the
- money? :-) And copyright is held by Linus, not by the FSF. We should
- abide by the aims of The Grand Wizard Torvalds, out of respect and
- gratitute if for none of the other good reasons.
-
- May one presume that if Linus has any objections to what someone is
- doing with his work (and, by proxy, the work others have contributed)
- he will make them known and clear? If he does have some objection, and
- that is not heeded, he is free to change the terms of the License for
- later releases if he deems it necessary.
-
- Followups on this issue are pointless, unless Linus wishes to make
- some statement.
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