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- From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
- Subject: Re: "Free" Forth is expensive
- Message-ID: <1992Aug21.152155.400@exu.ericsson.se>
- Date: 21 Aug 92 15:21:55 GMT
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- Nicolas Tamburri writes:
- >
- >Still, the user needs a language. He starts looking at ads, or catalogues,
- >or (God-forbid) start browsing the local software store's language section.
- >He's now confronted with 2 languagge packages, both of which promise lots
- >of libraries and facilities. One is Forth the other C. He rembers liking the
- >interactive nature of Forth, and decides to check it out.
- >
- >I don't think this scenario is all that far-fetched. Something like it
- >happened to me. I don't I could be the only one.
-
- It happened to me as well.
-
- >This same problem affects F-PC, and Yerk/Mops. Both excellent packages
- >in their own right, but my mind reels when I type WORDS, and the list goes on
- >forever. Where do you begin understanding a system like that? Imagine
- >what it looks like to the novice.
-
- One of the saving graces of Forth is--or rather should be--simplicity.
- I have a hard time bringin myself to use most modern development systems, but
- it seems I am the only person who doesn't get along with C compilers which
- arrive in 75-pound boxes containing a dozen manuals. I do not think that
- power and complexity need always be associated.
-
- As I see it, there are two kinds of Forths: those which are poorly documented
- and lacking polish; and expensive overly complex development systems which, though
- they may be well-designed, were designed more for industrial embedded applications
- that "normal" programming.
-
- What is needed is a *solid* product which is between these two extremes. To
- draw an analogy, I would much rather use a small, carefully designed, consistent, and
- predictable text editor than an out of control monstrosity which promises the world.
-
- --
- James Hague
- exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
-