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- From: pjl@sparc6.cs.uiuc.edu (Paul Lucas)
- Subject: Re: Is C++ "for the rest of us" ?
- Message-ID: <1992Aug17.145413.9278@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:54:13 GMT
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- In <1355EN@netmbx.netmbx.de> jrobie@netmbx.netmbx.de (Jonathan Robie) writes:
-
- >I have been talking to managers who are very nervous about
- >moving to C++. It seems to have a reputation for being
- >difficult to master, and those of us who program in C++
- >are sometimes considered Gurus.
-
- *****> I've heard this feeling expressed in several ways by several
- people. What I think needs to be done is to reevaluate
- programmers as professionals, right along with doctors, lawyers,
- accountants, etc. If one is a programmer, i.e., one gets paid
- to program, it should be incumbent on that person to be "good at
- it."
-
- The scale used to judge a programmer, IMHO, needs to be
- recalibrated:
-
- Novice: (obvious)
- Experienced: Has been working with a langauge for a
- while, but may not know some subtlies, idioms,
- or "tricks."
- ** Seasoned: Experienced + is aware of the subtlies, knows
- common idioms, and several tricks; can
- accomplish most any assigned task (efficiently).
- Guru: knows everything about everything (or knows where
- to look it up).
-
- In any corporation that employs programmers, most of the staff
- should fall in the Seasoned category. If they don't walk in the
- door that way, the corp. should have education and training
- practices and mentoring to teach them.
-
- People want to be treated by experienced doctors, have an
- experienced layer on their side, have an experienced accountant
- to make/save them the most money; why do managers "settle" for
- and resign themselves to the fact that they have, and are stuck
- with, "mediocre" programmers?
-
- >C++ certainly helps structure large projects, and after
- >making the switch I have absolutely no desire to go back
- >to C. But it does require a new way of thinking, and it
- >has some rather obscure aspects...
-
- *****> Yes, it does require a new way of thinking; but what's wrong
- with that? After OOP has trickled down into universities for
- programming classes, OOP will then become "the way" of thinking
- and non-OOP will be considered to be the "old way" of thinking.
-
- >What guidelines would you give to a manager who is trying
- >to decide whether to use C++ for an new project?
-
- *****> Have the Seasoned people design and implement the classes, or at
- least design the interfaces for the classes. This will make
- code development easier for the staff at large.
-
- Long-term extensability and maintainability will be greatly
- improved.
-
- >Would you suggest that a team with average programmers move to C++?
-
- *****> It depends on how your term "average" compares to those in my
- list. If average (roughly) equates to experienced, yes.
-
- Also, one doesn't have to use every conceivable feature when
- switching; they can be phased in gradually. Stroustrup, 2nd.
- ed., discusses this in more detail.
-
- >Should a programming team attempt a C++ project if they do not have any C++
- >gurus to fall back on?
-
- *****> How else are guru's made? One isn't born a guru; it comes after
- several years of experience, having seen a lot, having been
- around, having banged your head against a wall due to a seemingly
- insidious bugs (so I'm told).
- --
- - Paul J. Lucas University of Illinois
- AT&T Bell Laboratories at Urbana-Champaign
- Naperville, IL pjl@cs.uiuc.edu
-