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- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:33:57 -0400
- From: David Greene <dg1v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
- Subject: Re: Clarification re. Behind the Terminal
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- Excerpts from netnews.comp.infosystems: 17-Aug-92 Re: Clarification re.
- Behin.. roy schmidt@copper.ucs.i (2063)
- > When a framework is built, the usual objective is to give
- > researchers and practitioners a tool whereby the separable elements can
- > be identified and then systematically isolated for study.
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- The notion of systematic isolation is not integral to a framework. A
- framework can simply identify relevant characteristics and relationships
- and can provide a particular perspective in understanding a problem.
- Interdependence (isolatability) may or may not be part of the framework.
-
- > But a point made repeatedly in Rob's paper is that these elements are
- > *not* separable, and cannot be broken down into subsystems, etc., for
- > study. The analyst must learn to cope with real life, where all the
- > dynamic factors are constantly interacting and creating new situations.
-
- A "holistic" view is fine conceptually, but implementing a holistic
- approach requires some kind of structure (amorphous though it may seem).
- I was not implying that it be "tacked on" to the discrete entity model.
- What I was suggesting was that it would be valuable to describe a more
- rigorous approach to operationalizing the interpersonal environmental
- effects associated with the existing system... and potential
- implications for the design of the new system.
-
- For example:
- Excerpts: 14-Aug-92 Article -- Behind the Termi.. Rob Kling@ics.uci.edu (38592)
- > We propose three criteria for drawing the boundaries of
- > larger scale situations Sc which serve as useful contexts for a
- given focal situation Sf (Kling, 1987).
-
- Here he attempts to provide an operationalization for characterizing
- boundaries.
-
- Throughout he makes reference to various approaches, theories and models
- which can be used to instantiate his notions of interdependencies or
- considerations. I admit that I have not read his other papers which he
- cites. Presumably those provide more detailed descriptions. My point
- was that providing a more rigorous approach which operationalized the
- interpersonal environment would be a major contribution. His empirical
- examples seem to indicate that is achievable in his specific study. But
- as Rob himself notes:
-
- Excerpts: 14-Aug-92 Article -- Behind the Termi.. Rob Kling@ics.uci.edu (17947)
- > I would
- > like to conclude with a neat method so that any analyst could
- > readily identify the infrastructural resources which are critical
- > for a computer system and workable for her organization. This
- > method would provide a satisfying conclusion to a long chapter.
- > Unfortunately, I do not have a such a method. Nor is the search
- > for a simple method a good way to learn from this chapter. The
- > case of the DCRP and the subsequent discussion illustrates many
- > key ideas about the way that computing infrastructures are
- > tailored for specific systems and social settings.
-
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