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- From: pjulich@su102c.ess.harris.com (Paul M. Julich)
- Subject: Re: ACM Curriculum Proposal - Some Remarks
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- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:49:21 GMT
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- In <16j2odINN1f2@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
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- >KlausF@OSGO.ks.he.schule.de writes:
- >>The proposal tries to design a CS-course which is similar in level and
- >>methodology to ``typical high school pre-college science courses''. The
- >>course should concentrate on ``fundamental scientific principles and
- >>concepts'' in the field.
- >>
- >>Who doesn't agree with these goals.
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- >I don't, for one.
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- >is the place for learning how to learn, and learning to love learning. It
- >doesn't matter so much about any specific facts you might learn. This is
- >true even in "pre-college science courses"; the main point of high school
- >physics had better be to get the kids to love physics--love its methodology
- >as well as its content--and it wouldn't matter so much if all the physics
- >they learn is wrong (e.g., Newtonian).
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- stuff omitted ...
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- >The big exception is computing. Many kids, through programming, can and do
- >learn to love formal mathematical thinking. They stay up all night getting
- >their program to work. That's the *only* important thing that computing
- >has to offer in high school education! Some of these kids may end up staying
- >with computing; if so, they'll have the "fundamental scientific principles
- >and concepts" in college. Others may get interested in some other, related
- >scientific area. But we got them hooked by letting them program!
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- >The ACM curriculum wants to destroy all this by taking the fun out of
- >programming and making it feel like a trigonometry class. It's full of
- >Shalt-Not style rules, RAM/ROM/CPU buzz words to memorize, and on top of
- >that it enshrines an obsolete, low-level idea of programming languages
- >(no modern language has type declarations or loop constructs).
-
- I want to second the comments of Klaus and Harvey with regard to the
- place that computers play in the school. I have twin daughters,
- beginning 6th grade this year. I have encouraged my daughters to
- experiment on the computer. LogoWriter was a valuable purchase (3
- years ago). With it they have not only learned aspects of problem
- solving, but have also used their imagination to solve many problems -
- all with very minimal interference from me. I also purchased a
- LEGO/DACTA set and they have had a great deal of fun using their
- imagination creating their own designs while without knowing it they
- were learning many valuable facts. As a result of this activity their
- interest in all areas of school has gone up and their grades have
- improved. They love working with the computer.
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- The point of all of this is the following. Last spring they came home
- from school very depressed. They said that beginning this fall there
- would be a class on computers in which they would receive a grade. The
- teacher had apparently made a sales pitch about all that they would
- learn, definitions and the like and it did not appeal to them at all.
- Do we have to take this wonderful tool and destroy it as an
- educational vehicle by taking the creativity out of it. Frankly, I'm
- distressed with our schools over this approach.
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- On the area of two many architectures, etc, I believe this approach is
- destroying much of the secondary education. We are in all areas of
- mathematics trying to teach too many facts without teaching thinking.
- Math homework assignments for my junior and senior high school kids
- are filled with long numbers of trite (apply the canned formula)
- problems and little thinking. We have often confused hard (lots of
- work) with good. Is there any hope for reversing this trend and
- getting kids back to understanding mathematics? I heard recently of a
- geometry camp where in three weeks, a kid can get credit for an
- entire year of geometry so that he/she can move on to Algebra 2 next
- year. Frankly I do not believe that one can absorb the principles of
- theorem proving which are the core of this course in three weeks. Am
- I way off base?
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