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- From: sti@cs.hut.fi (Sami-Jaakko Tikka)
- Subject: Re: Why I love VI
- In-Reply-To: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us's message of Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:05:28 GMT
- Message-ID: <STI.92Aug19234728@kuuppa.cs.hut.fi>
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- Sender: usenet@cs.hut.fi (Uutis Ankka)
- Reply-To: Sami.Tikka@hut.fi
- Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
- References: <Bt0BJG.HAv@cs.psu.edu> <714096328snx@n5ial.chi.il.us>
- Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:47:54 GMT
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- In article <714096328snx@n5ial.chi.il.us> jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham) writes:
-
- > I've even gotten comments like,
- > ``ok, so you can do in one keystroke what it takes me 15 or 20
- > keystrokes to do...what, are you TOO LAZY to do the rest?''
-
- I was rather under the impression the old time editors usually have a
- more efficient interface, at least if you only count keystrokes. They
- might even be somewhat mnemonic, but they lose in ease of use when
- compared with the mice-and-menus-editors because when using them you
- don't even have to remember anything. Just open up the menu and you
- can read all the options from there. If it wasn't in this menu, just
- move the mouse and you get to see the next one. See, nothing to
- remember! Everyone can do it without reading the manualpage.
-
- The trouble is, like many have stated, this is not always as fast as
- just remembering that d is for deleting and w is for word and dw will
- delete a word.
-
- In my opinion, an editor should grow with you. I mean that when you
- are a novice, it allows you to use mice and menus (which display also
- shortcutkeys for actions). By and by you are bound to start
- remembering the shortcuts and start using them because they get the
- job done faster. After that you start thinking how to speed up and
- ease things further and that is when you want to learn the macro or
- extension language. Of course some people will never reach the last
- stage but if the extension language is there, it'll hardly do any
- damage even if you don't use it.
-
- I know of no such editors (at least) in the unix-world. I'm kind of
- hoping that emacs might some day be like the way I described.
-
- > mainframe at work, I use vi on my workstation and ftp to the mainframe
- > (or use snarf-n-barf courtesy of the twm window manager under X11R5).
-
- Would you care to tell me what exactly is this snarf-and-barf -feature
- of the twm window manager. I found nothing like this in twm's manual
- page (or am I missing something here...)
- --
- Sami.Tikka@hut.fi "Live Long and Prosper!"
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