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- From: croussel@hayes.com
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- Subject: Re: 802.5 transparent briding question
- Message-ID: <5887.2a923325@hayes.com>
- Date: 19 Aug 92 11:40:21 EDT
- References: <1992Aug18.141851.22311@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
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- In article <1992Aug18.141851.22311@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, craven@egr.msu.edu (Dean Craven) writes:
- > Hi,
- >
- > Here is a question for folks with 802.5 briging experience. If there is
- > a better newsgroup for this area, please let me know.
- >
- > What are the options for setting the A and C bits of the Frame Status byte
- > when doing transparent bridging on 802.5 LANs? IEEE 802.1d defines both
- > MAC and MAC relay software entities. If I'm reading 802.1d correctly, the
- > MAC level in a bridge is allowed to set the A and C bits to 1 whenever it
- > receives a user_data_frame to be given from the MAC entity to the MAC
- > relay entity (i.e., the A and C bits are set before the MAC relay entity
- > checks the filtering database to decide whether to really forward the
- > frame - thus the bridge sets the A and C bits for all user frames on the
- > source ring).
- >
- > Am I reading 802.1d correctly? Are bridge developers setting the A and C
- > bits for all user frames? What are the ramifications of setting these
- > bits for other nodes on the LAN? Alternatively, what are the ramifications
- > of not setting the A and C bits when forwarding a frame?
- >
- > Please respond via email. Thanks.
- >
- > Dean Craven (craven@egr.msu.edu)
- > Software Engineer
- > Dale Computer Corp.
- It's true that 802.1d does not specify whether bridges will
- set the A and C bits on frames they forward or not. 802.1
- simply "punted" on this issue.
-
- To do the right thing (set A and C bits only on frames that
- are bridged) requires extra (expensive) hardware. CAMS must
- be used to quickly determine is the destination address is
- one the bridge knows about.
-
- There may be some low-end bridge vendors that set A and C
- for every packet that goes by (as 802.1 allows) but most
- everyone that I became familiar with at 802.5 were intending
- to add the CAMs and do it right.
-
- If you don't add the CAMs, LAN manager will get deluged with
- error messages about duplicate stations on the ring (if you
- set A and C). If you always leave A and C clear, some old
- NETBIOS applications, will retransmit excessivly.
-
- This is definitely a point where 802.1 compliance doesn't
- mean much. Welcome to the murky world of token-ring
- interoperablility. (Don't even ask about multicast addressing).
-
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