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- From: ameesh@lsil.com (Ameesh Desai)
- Newsgroups: comp.databases
- Subject: Re: OODB Experiences/Opinions (Objectivity)
- Keywords: Objectivity, OODB
- Message-ID: <1992Aug12.181115.28185@lsil.com>
- Date: 12 Aug 92 18:11:15 GMT
- References: <bem.713575168@stone.NSD.3Com.COM>
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- In article 713575168@stone.NSD.3Com.COM, bem@ESD.3Com.COM (Evan McGinnis) writes:
- >My development group is starting to evaluate databases for OO
- >development and I would really appreciate some experiences/
- >opinions/testimonials.
-
- >We are looking at:
- >Versant, ObjectStore, Ontos and Raima*.
- >
- ......
- >We have pretty much counted out relational DBs, as they
- >don't seem fit well into OO development. (This is your
- >cue to let me know if I'm wrong here, and insert a
- >testimonial about why you think XXX rdbms is perfect for OO
- >development)
- Same here !
- >
- >>-Evan-
- >
- >--
- >------------------------------------------------
- >Evan McGinnis 3Com Corporation
- >bem@3Com.com (408)764-6064
- >------------------------------------------------
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- We are in a similar situation. I shall give my opinion of what I have gathered from
- the varous marketing litrature regarding Objectivity.
- Could you post a summary of other replies/posts.
-
- Objectivity :
- This has a concept of 'federated' databases, and seems to address the issues of
- distributing data accross hetrogenous platforms well.
-
- However, to the best of my knowledge I found the following drawbacks ...
-
- 1. It requires you to derive your persistent objects from its base class
- this raises a number of issues ...
- - Do they have any virtual fns in that class, if so you pay the 4bytes for the
- vtbl ptr.
- - Do they need us to inherit that class as virtual ? In that you pay 4 more
- bytes ! (this is to allow multiple inheritance).
- - Can u create a non-persistent object of a class derived from their
- base ?
- 2. They overload the -> operator to be able to resolve the pointer addresses
- i.e. if its on disk, bring it in on demand (it is a 'smart' ptr)
- - Does this prevent us from using smart pointers in our code ?
- - Every pointer derefrence will now have the overhead of checking if the
- address is real or on disk.
- - as in C++ you can't overload the left side operator in a different manner
- from the right side one - it does not know if you are updating the object
- or just reading it.
- i.e. x->y = z;
- and z = x->y; calls the same operator->,
- Thus they need us to add a call to mark an object 'dirty' everytime its
- updated. This involves code change ! What about Class Libraries !!!
- 3. Their approach involves code change as shown by the requirements above.
- - this is a major problem as one of the great advantages of OOP and C++ is
- the availibility of class libraries and code re-use, I do not want to
- understand the internals of the library in order to use its services !
- I am even more reluctant to change library source - in some cases u will
- not have access to the source !
- 4. They do not have a Query language.
- 5. They do not have Configuration Control.
-
-
- As you can see I have a number of issues that are not addressed well by Objectivity.
- Also I have a number of unanswered questions.
-
- Any comments from Objectivity insiders ???
-
- I should also mention that the above info is stuff I gathered thru marketing litrature
- that is now about a year old and things might have changed.
-
- Disclaimer: These opinions do not in any way reflect the official position of LSI
- Logic, they are strictly my personal observations.
-
-
- Ameesh
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