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- From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
- Subject: Re: question on computer systems using Alpha ...
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- References: <1992Aug10.202955.4254@talon.ucs.orst.edu> <DOCONNOR.92Aug11133018@potato.sedona.intel.com> <1992Aug12.121427.10251@dscomsf.desy.de> <1992Aug12.172556.91192@cs.cmu.edu>
- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:38:35 GMT
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- In article <1992Aug12.172556.91192@cs.cmu.edu>, lindsay+@cs.cmu.edu
- (Donald Lindsay) writes:
-
- |>hallam@zws010.enet.dec.com () writes:
- |>>the chip itself can drop 36 watts, I think the problems cooling the chip
- |>>will be challenging enough without getting hung up about power suplies.
- |>
- |>What problems?
- |>
- |>I've held an Alpha (+heatsink) in my hand, and I have no trouble
- |>believing DEC when they say they can put it in a (quiet) desktop
- |>unit. In fact, the original demo was just that.
- |>
- |>The cooling guys at DECWRL estimated that they could cope with a 140
- |>watt chip with a 12 cm high cooling tower and two 6 cm fans. On a
- |>desktop. [Not a pizza box, of course: probably something more along
- |>the lines of the Indigo.] One odd wrinkle: the tower loses cooling
- |>ability if it isn't vertical, so there's a sensor and a power cutoff.
-
- Yep, but the original question was about fitting alpha into existing
- racks. Obviviously cooling that amount is quite possible. However it
- will be difficult to do this in a VME crate. If like us you have almost
- a thousand VME type (or similar) crates you can see why we would not be
- too happy to have to junk them just to upgrade the processor. 12cm is
- space for 8 cards. What is critical in our environment is not CPU power
- but CPU per unit volume, we can parallelize and use T9000 technology
- instead of alpha.
-
- If you have the luxury of starting from a clean sheet of paper with no
- historical design restrictions then the 3.5 volt power line is no
- problem at all - simply add an extra power rail, put the complexity in
- the power supply. We butcher VME anyway to add non standard power rails
- to supply ADCs and exotics, adding an alpha heat sink will be a problem,
- perhaps adding a large plate extending the entire surface area of the
- card would be sufficient - we won't want more than an alpha power per
- card.
-
- >The bottom line is, in a world that can cool Crays, a lightbulb's
- >worth of power isn't the end of the world.
-
- But the problem is not the power itself but the power density.
-