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- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:51:44 GMT
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- From: "Donald L. Nash" <D.Nash@UTEXAS.EDU>
- Subject: RE: two minor points
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- >You already have MIME-compliant user agents. PMDF-MR is fully MIME
- >compliant and it makes any Message Router user agent into a MIME user
- >agent. In other words, ALL-IN-1 MAIL (MailWorks) and to a lesser extent
- >ALL-IN-1 IOS are MIME compliant.
-
- Oh yeah, I didn't think about MailWorks. I'm one of those who would rather
- eat soap...
-
- >As I pointed out in my earlier message, the use of MIME for return messages
- >is a recommended practice now. This means that regardless of what PMDF does
- >you are going to start seeing these things in huge numbers in the very near
- >future. And nothing in PMDF can change this.
-
- In that case, rather than railing against PMDF I'll rail against this
- recommendation. I understand the need to get MIME deployed, but pushing its
- use before the MIME UAs are fully deployed sounds like it's rushing things
- just a bit. I know that there are some MIME UAs out there, but they aren't
- in wide deployment yet. And until they are in wide deployment, sending MIME
- return messages doesn't accomplish much except to annoy and confuse some
- people. However, it is a "recommended practice" now, and my railings in
- info-pmdf aren't going to change that, so I'll just shut up about the
- subject and wait for you folks to finish your UA.
-
- >The reason you're posting to us is twofold -- we got there first, and we're
- >more likely to listen to this sort of issue than most vendors. But I
- >predict that six months from now the actions PMDF takes in these situations
- >will be entirely irrelevant.
-
- Actually, the reason I was posting was because I wanted to vent my feelings
- on the matter. I'm not asking Innosoft to retrofit a hack into PMDF to
- allow its MIME support to be disabled. I'd rather you spend you time
- working on the UA. As for what happens six months from now, I'm hoping to
- have a MIME UA on my VAX by then.
-
- >We didn't have the resources to do much else in our initial release. Now,
- >we can at this point continue to devote the resources to development of a
- >MIME-compliant UA or we can divert these resources into a cheap hack with a
- >useful life expectancy of about a year (at most). Which direction would you
- >choose? Would you rather get a MIME-compliant UA or the ability to generate
- >non-MIME return messages (a capability which, I might add, would have to be
- >REMOVED COMPLETELY at some future date).
-
- Like I said, I don't want the cheap hack and I wasn't asking for it. I was
- simply lamenting the absense of a feature which I admit would be too costly
- to add at this point in time, but which would have been nice given the lack
- of a MIME UA. Just gimme the UA and I'll shut up. :-)
-
- >Development of V4.1 was done on the assumption that the user agent would
- >probably ship with it. Various choices were made which, had we considered
- >nonexistence of the UA at this time, might have been done differently. The
- >bottom line is that s**t happens.
-
- Yes, and it happens all too frequently. I didn't know that the UA was
- originally intended to ship with V4.1. Given this information, the complete
- support for MIME in V4.1 makes perfect sense. Now the only thing I have
- left to lament is the fact that the UA didn't make it into V4.1.
-
- Thanks for listening. That's something that lots of vendors don't do very
- well.
-
- ++Don
-