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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:32:30 -0500
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From:         "Velibor M. Marenovic" <[e-mail]>
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I am including second part of the message which got accidentaly lost.

Velibor

>
> I really don't understand the meaning of this. Do you? What Kosovo in the
> 1912 has to do with this. What Croatia and Slovenia have to do with this?
> Why you, as an expert on Slovenian matters, do not tell us how many Slovenes
> live in Austria and Italy   . Are they treated well? What your government  is
> doing to improve their status overthere? Mirrors do not lie Mr. Andy. Be
 honest
> and admit to the American readers that Yugoslavia did much more for your
> Slovenes who lived outside Slovenia than your own governement.  It is amazing
> that now, when you finally have your own state, you are still more concerned
> about ex-Yugoslavia and the problem of Muslims, Croats, and Albanians than
> with the problems of your own people.  Why don't you tell something to
> the American readers about Mladina's article on lies of Slovenian Minister of
> Information Mr. Jelko Kacin in respect to the "war" and "destruction" of
> Slovenia by the dreaded Yugoslav People Army?
>
> "... Here Mr. Anono., brings in _his_ opinion, but because I happened to
> know Slovenia much better than he does, all I can say is, that this is solely
> his opinion which is far from reality.. In reality the slogan was lounched by
> Touristic Association of Slovenia in 1985 (6) in order to attrack more turists
> from the West nad invite people to show them their hospitality...".
>
> It is my opinion, sure. Not the opinion of any lobby, Mr. Andy. But, I do have
> a disappointment for you. I did live in Slovenia.  What makes you so sure that
> you know Slovenia much better than I do. Just the fact that all people who
> "know" Slovenia _must_ think as you do? Shame on you, Mr. Andy.  My ancestors
> had lived in Slovenia. I served the Army in Celea (Cilli) or Celje if wish.
> I was called "damn Bosnian" by your democratic Slovenian friends until in
> Slovenian I told them my story. Only then they changed their attitude, but
> only toward me - not toward my comrades who happened to be in "your democratic
> republic of Slovenia".
>
> What 1985 (6) means, Mr. Andy? It seems that you are not sure about things
> you "happened to know better than Mr. Anono." I'll tell you: it was 1985.
> And, again, don't assume that the readers are so stupid: the arguments about
> hospitality you were talking about do not make any sense.  I've seen all
 poster
> s you are talking about. Moreover, I still know to read between the lines.
>
> "... But the main point of centralization was that  a complete foreign (hard)
> currency income was immediatelly deposited at Federal Bank in Belgrade. Hence,
> all what republics weere allowed to do was to handle national currency..."
>
> So this is your _final_ point about centralization? Get real, Mr. Andy, and do
> your homework. You addmit handling of national currency by republics??!! and
> you talk about centralization! Do we look as morons to you? The truth is that
> only a part of hard currency was to be deposited at the National Bank of YU.
> Moreover, that was a Federal (Central) Bank not the Serbian Bank!
>
> "The claim about military budget mentioned above is at least ridiculous.
> Let us first clarify the purpose of teritorial defense. Namely the teritorial
> defense was meant to be used for guerila fightinhg and hence it also got
> appropriate weaponry (i.e. no planes, no tanks, etc.)..."
>
> I don't want to repeat Mr. Andy's statement "he, I happened to know... much
> better then he does..". But, the reality can be cruel  sometimes,and Mr. Andy
> has no clue what he is talking about.  How many divisions of YPA existed in
> Slovenia. How many tanks. Tell us who were commanders of these units. Tell
> us how many Slovenes serve regular army units in  Slovenia. Moreover, tell us
> who serve in the regular army units. I trained the Slovenian teritorial
 defense
> units in 1985 (who paid for it?), but I never expected that these people will
> use their "skills" to shoot at the 18 years old draftees.
>
> And, by the way, everybody was able to discuss the Army budget... you just
> need to refresh your memory.
>
> "...What bothers me is so absolute "purity" of  nation."
>
> Who talked about the absolute purity of the nation. Mr. Andy you do not only
> manipulate with the facts. You also tend to put words in someone's else mouth.
> I was just saying that not the one camp was run by the Serbs.
>
> "...There was no Yugoslavs (essentially). They were whatever nationality _and_
> citizens of Yugoslavia."
>
> Get yourself together, Mr. Andy. There were more than 1,400.000 Yugoslavs
> according to census in the 1981. It was about as much as Macedonians, more
> than Montenegrians, and almost as much as Slovenes. I was one among them.
> And I am still one. So, I will not call you a layer - let's say you are just
> purposefuly misinformed.
>
> "... (NOBODY) complained about Croatian coat-of-arms..."
>
> This question was addressed several times. Especially in the 1971.
>
> The comment about the last paragraph of the illustrious thoughts of Mr. Andy
> is to be avoided. He is talking about the Croatian flag. To every interested
> individual I am ready to send additional information, such as what is the
> meaning of the fifth crown on the Croatian flag.
>
> The fact is that war should be stopped.  However, without the settlement
> that is going to respect the right of all sides to the self-determination
> a little can be achieved. Without justice there will be no peace.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pen
>
> P.S. I apologize for the "personal" tone of the letter. Please, understand
> that I write to you only when I find a bit of     free time. It _is not my
> full time job_.  The manipulation with the facts is very attractive option,
> especially in respect to Yugoslavia (uups, I forgot ex-). I simply do not
> WANT TO BE PART OF IT.