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- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:40:24 -0600
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- From: "William T. Powers" <POWERS_W%FLC@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU>
- Subject: Re: separating action and perception
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- [From Bill Powers (920817.1130)]
-
- John van Loon (920817) --
-
- Hello, John, welcome to the net as a real live speaker!
-
- >To me it would seem that drivers do in fact see the disturbances. It is
- >true that they do not see each individual one but they do see the net
- >effect of them by noting the position of the car in the lane (this
- >includes any steering errors also).
-
- "Disturbance" is an ambiguous term; it can refer either to the variable
- that is causing the disturbance (wind velocity, bump in the road) or to the
- effect that the disturbance has (change in direction of the car's motion).
- Just lately I'm experimenting with using "independent variable" to mean the
- CAUSES of disturbances, and "disturbance" to mean the effect, if any.
-
- >The action of steering the car so that it stays in the lane seems like >a
- negative feedback type of action solely controlled by sight >(excepting for
- large disturbances that change the wheel position and >the change is "felt"
- and reacted to).
-
- You're right, of course: this is a negative feedback system, which is what
- I mean by a control system. The controlled variable, from the point of view
- of an external observer, is the objective position of the car on the road.
- But when we look at the situation from the standpoint of the driver, it is
- a PERCEPTION of the car's position that's being controlled, which is not
- necessarily the same as the objective position. When the driver sees a
- satisfactory picture in the windshield, the car may not be centered in its
- lane. So (and this is the basis thesis of the PCT approach) what the driver
- is actually controlling is the perception, not its objective counterpart.
-
- Note, by the way, that the perception doesn't control the action; the
- action controls the perception.
-
- The turning of the steering wheel is based on the difference between the
- perceptual signal representing the car's position and an internal reference
- signal, which is more or less a picture of how the road and hood SHOULD
- look as framed in the windshield (in German, the name for reference signal
- is Sollwert -- "should-be"). The difference, the error signal, is converted
- into steering efforts in a direction corresponding to the sign of the
- error. There are some dynamic filters involved to make the whole loop
- stable, but that's not necessary for a discussion of the basic idea.
-
- The controlled variable, the car's position, is neither a dependent nor an
- independent variable. It's part of a causal loop. It depends on the action
- (applying a torque to the steering wheel) at the same time that the action
- depends on deviation of the perceived position from its reference state
- determined by the driver. There are two independent variables in this
- situation. One is the driver's internal reference signal. The other is the
- set of all independent variables that can affect the car's position
- independently of the driver's actions -- what I have been referring to as
- "the disturbance." I'll say "independent variable" when I refer to the
- environment, and "reference signal" when I refer to the driver's brain.
- They're both really independent variables with respect to the steering
- control system.
-
- What drivers don't see are the independent variables in the environment.
- They don't see the wind, and even if they see some dust blowing or trees
- bending, they can't see enough to calculate the forces being generated on
- the car. They can't see soft tires, little tilts of the road, and so on.
- All they perceive is where the car is, which they judge relative to where
- they want to percieve it. If the car swerves, there is no way of knowing
- what caused the swerve; there might be many simultaneously acting
- independent variables, which remain inseparable as their effects simply add
- together, or just one.
-
- This is actually the real power of a control system. It doesn't need to
- know the causes of disturbances of the controlled variable. It simply
- monitors the controlled variable itself, compares what it senses with some
- reference-state for the perception, and acts to keep the difference as
- small as possible.
-
- The point I was making to Penni Sibun concerned the relationship between
- the driver's actions (applying torques to the steering wheel) and the
- perceptions that are controlled as a result (the observed position of the
- car on the road, as the driver sees it). In some of the materials Penni
- cited, the statement appears that action and perception are inseparable.
- But when there are independent variables in the environment which have just
- as much influence on the outcome as the actions do, it is the outcome that
- remains the same, while the actions vary to oppose the effects of those
- independent variables. So the perception (of the car's position) remains
- essentially stable, but the actions (torques applied to the steering wheel)
- vary as the independent variables in the environment vary.
-
- As a result, you can be driving down a nice straight road with the steering
- wheel in just about any position, depending on how much crosswind there is,
- how much the road is tipped, and how well aligned your front end is.
- There's no way to tell, just by looking at the car's behavior, what the
- steering wheel is doing. So action and perception become decoupled; the
- variations in action correlate mostly with the external independent
- variables, and hardly at all with the controlled variable. The angle of the
- wheel correlates highly with the sideward forces due to the crosswind, but
- because of that, shows very little relationship with the direction the car
- is going.
-
- The reason that seeing or not seeing independent variables is important is
- best understood in relation to conventional interpretations of behavior.
- From the standpoint of an external observer, it seems that the independent
- variables are causing the behavior -- the crosswind is causing the driver
- to turn the steering wheel. If you were from Mars, and didn't know anything
- about driving cars, you might conclude that the driver is somehow sensing
- the wind, the deviation of the road from level, the state of the tires, and
- all the other variables than influence the car's direction, and is
- responding to them by turning the wheel by a calibrated amount. You would
- see what seems to be a stimulus-response situation.
-
- If you didn't ask too many questions about HOW the driver senses these
- things, and how he or she does so with such precision, and how these
- stimuli get translated so precisely into just the steering torques that are
- needed, you might think you have an adequate explanation of the phenomenon.
- It would never occur to you that there is another variable involved, the
- path of the car, that is actually under active control. The fact that the
- steering forces balance out all the external forces so accurately that the
- car stays in its lane for mile after mile would not seem remarkable if you
- weren't a physicist -- that's just good luck for the driver. It wouldn't be
- at all obvious that what the driver is REALLY sensing is the position of
- the car; the driver isn't sensing any of those supposed "stimuli."
-
- This, I maintain, is the story of all conventional approaches to
- understanding behavior. The supposed causes of behavior, the independent
- variables or "stimuli," are really just influencing perceptions that the
- organism has under control. The actions that result from applying these
- independent variables are really opposing disturbances of the controlled
- variable -- usually very successfully. Organisms are such good control
- systems, unfortunately, that controlled variables do little varying that
- can be related to external events. The result is that they're easy to
- overlook. Statistical analysis is most likely to reject them as
- insignificant, even if the experimenter accidentally includes them in the
- list of variables to be tested for significance.
-
- The AI and AL approaches (artificial intelligence and artificial life)
- uniformly assume that the consequences of acting simply follow regularly
- from the actions. As in most conventional sciences of life, they name
- actions by their consequences -- "turning left" rather than "applying a
- torque to the steering wheel." They would assume, for example, that
- steering a car around a curve simply results from commanding that the arms
- turn the steering wheel by a specified amount. As every driver knows,
- however, it's sometimes both possible and necessary to go around a curve to
- the left by turning the steering wheel to the right, if the curve is too
- steeply banked for your speed or if a crosswind is blowing the car into the
- curve, or both. There's no one "command" that can produce turning left in a
- real environment. The system has be be organized to turn the wheel by ANY
- AMOUNT and IN ANY DIRECTION that's required at the moment. Only a control
- system can behave like that. A command-driven system can't.
-
- I once heard it said that asking Kenneth Orr a question was like trying to
- get a drink of water from a fire hose. I'm glad I'm not like that.
-
- Best,
-
- Bill P.
-