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- From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
- Subject: Re: [news.admin.policy] Re: Groups used to distribute illegal material
- Message-ID: <1992Aug17.081916.27382@aston.ac.uk>
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- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:19:16 GMT
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- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
- :
- : Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
- : Subject: Re: Groups used to distribute illegal material
- : Message-ID: <ward1.713735730@husc8>
- : From: ward1@husc8.harvard.edu (Lester Ward)
- : Date: 13 Aug 92 19:55:30 GMT
- :
- : There are two main issues brought up here, censorship and legality. I'm
- : completely ignoring the censorship issue, as that did not seem to be the
- : original posters main issue.
- :
- : As far as legality, a few comments:
- : o Copywrites: Although the poster originally brought up images, which have
- : accepted copywrite standards, many other types of posted data is still
- : a bit hazy on exactly what a copywrite is. Can you copywrite algrothms
- : for example. I'm speaking from a vaccuum here, so someone will correct
- : me, no doubt.
- :
- : o Juristiction: A post from Germany shows up in the USA. It is illegal in
- : the USA, but not in Germany. Is the poster breaking the law? There are
- : probably not too many precidents for this (its not that likely), but I hope
- : the point is clear. Suppose the post is illegal in both countries; how is
- : the poster prosecuted? etc.
-
- This is quite possible as US copyright law has the idea of derived work,
- which is still owned by the original copyright owner.
- Under other laws such as UK law a work derived from other copyright works
- may have copyright owen by the person who acually created it.
- e.g. taking a set of images from scanning, clipping and retouching them
- may well give the person doing this copyright ownership under UK law,
- from what I have read they might well find themselves in trouble in the
- US.
-
- Presumably one could use the Berne convention in this case, anyone know
- what it actually says about this sort of case?
-
- :
- : o The law: Recent legal decisions have taken a somewhat counter-intuitive
- : slant regarding computer crime. For example, there have been cases of
- : administrators being brought to trial for reading "private" mail, but
- : found not guilty because mail is not legally private. There may be
- : similar cases where the administrator was found guilty. Which brings up
- : another point: law is just starting to deal with computers and networks.
- :
- : I guess this is the real point: right now, we (the computer literate, network
- : literate community) have the ability to steer the law one way or an other.
- : The world at large (including most courts and lawyers) don't know much about
- : computers. When dealing with legislating computers, they will have to get
- : advice from the experts (us) in making their decisions, decisions which will
- : set legal president to the day when everyone uses computers.
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