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- From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
- Subject: Re: [news.admin.policy] Groups used to distribute illegal material
- Message-ID: <1992Aug17.074911.27112@aston.ac.uk>
- Sender: usenet@aston.ac.uk (Usenet administrator)
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- Organization: Aston University
- References: <9208131652.AA01275@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu>
- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:49:11 GMT
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- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
- :
- : Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
- : From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
- : Subject: Groups used to distribute illegal material
- : Message-ID: <BsxH08.GE8@mtholyoke.edu>
- : Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:14:31 GMT
- :
- : As a news administrator for a site relatively new to the Net, I have
- : recently been giving _much_ thought to the issues surrounding certain
- : controversial newsgroups.
- :
- : I am extremely opposed to censorship, and we are currently receiving
- : everything we can get our hands (well, our lines) on. But since our
- : news user population is growing rapidly, I expect that it won't be
- : long before someone here tries to make a stink about the fact that
- : there is pornography available on our computer systems. In preparation
- : for that day I have formulated many good arguments against restricting
- : the available material, which I'm sure I don't need to repeat here
- : as this has been discussed countless times.
- :
- : However, while I think that it is easy to demonstrate that merely
- : controversial material such as the postings to alt.sex.bondage and
- : similar groups should not be restricted, much of the material posted
- : to alt.binaries.pictures.erotica is _illegal_ and therefor quite hard
- : to defend. (The illegality of this material stems from the fact that
- : much of it is distributed in violation of copyright -- this means
- : that it is illegal not only in the U.S., but in most of the world.
- : There are other legal issues around the occasional depictions of
- : bestiality and child pornography, but these appear to be rare enough
- : that they are not as much of an issue.)
-
- This has been mentioned before in the context of scanned images,
- oddly though this issue is only raised with the sexuall explicit ones.
- In fact a very large proportion of images available on the net possibly
- breach copyright.
- (The most blatently obvious example I have ever seen was a scan of
- a record sleeve, including the copyright notice)
- To make a fuss about erotica images is slightly hypocritical if you
- do not also point the finger at the rest of these images, which
- have EXACTLY the same legal status.
- :
- : Furthermore, I am somewhat personally offended that such a relatively
- : large percentage of the total bandwith used by my news feeds and
- : store are used for such morally questionable purposes by a presumably
- : tiny fringe group of network users who appear to feel that it is their
- : natural right to waste everyone's resources with their trash.
-
- (morally questionable because of the subject matter of the images,
- or because of the copyright violations?)
-
- A policy mentioned on here a few weeks ago was to trash first those
- newsgroups which were being read by no-one at the site, the idea
- to keep disk usage down, with out censoring material which there was
- actually a demand for.
-
- :
- : In summary, while I will fight tooth and nail against censorship in
- : general when the issue comes up with the local powers-that-be, I am
- : tempted to concede that newsgroups which are used to distribute
- : demonstrably illegal materials not be carried. I am fully aware of
- : the complications and problems with such a policy, but I would like
- : to see some further discussion of this topic. I fear that if such
- : discussion does not take place, the future of the entire Altnet is
- : in peril as the Newsnet becomes more mainstream and gets exposed
- : to greater scrutiny.
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