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- Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
- Path: sparky!uunet!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!eff!eff-gate!usenet
- From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
- Subject: [news.admin.policy] Re: Groups used to distribute illegal material
- Message-ID: <9208141933.AA01628@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu>
- Originator: daemon@eff.org
- Sender: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu
- Nntp-Posting-Host: eff.org
- Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:33:01 GMT
- Approved: usenet@eff.org
- Lines: 65
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- Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
- From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
- Subject: Re: Groups used to distribute illegal material
- Message-ID: <BszFJn.5HF@mtholyoke.edu>
- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:38:10 GMT
-
- In article <neuhaus.713788374@vier> neuhaus@vier.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern)) writes:
- >Hi.
- >
- >I have read the ongoing discussion in this group with interest at
- >first. However, when I thought of it some more, I found that all of
- >the followups seem to have ignored one central issue:
- >
- > If a University or company offers a news feed, it is offering a
- >*service*. Usenet is not yet a right, it's a privilege. A University
- >or company has every right to control how their computers are used.
- >After all, they belong to the University or company, not to the
- >students or employees. In analogy, a newsstand does not have to carry
- >each and every available newspaper or magazine. If I, as the
- >newsstand's owner, find magazines containing porno photos, fascist
- >propaganda, leftist propaganda, etc. unacceptable, I will not sell
- >those magazines which will probably only take up shelf space anyway.
-
- No, I think you're missing the point, entirely. The question you're
- addressing has been discussed at great length over years, and what it
- boils down to is that while USENET is certainly a service and a
- priviledge, at an ACADEMIC institution most people consider it quite
- inappropriate for any person or committee to judge what material is
- acceptable and what is not, i.e. you either offer it all, or you
- don't. (See Carl Kadie's articles on University Library policies.)
-
- But the issue I raised isn't one of judging what's acceptable, but
- rather one of what is legally justifiable.
-
- >[...] but students or employees must not be punished for reading any
- >group once it's available, and tracing who reads which newsgroups
- >must not be done.
-
- I can't imagine that anybody would disagree with THAT.
-
- > In direct answer to the original poster, I believe you should not
- >play God yourself and simply cancel the groups. You should ask for an
- >official policy, if only to get your head out of the sling. If you
- >cancelled newsgroups at your own will, that would be arbitrary and
- >despotic, even if those groups carried copyrighted or otherwise
- >illegally published material.
-
- That is not a direct answer to the original poster (me). 8-).
-
- I have no intention of playing god. (Why can't people ever read
- articles carefully before replying? Sigh!) In fact, I very explicitly
- stated that my interest in resolving this was to determine what my
- recommendation to the powers-that-be should be when they come down
- on my ass.
-
- > I would like to thank the poster for his rational tone, which has
- >done everything to avoid unnecessary flamage. Well done!
-
- Thank you very kindly! ;-)
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