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- From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
- Subject: [news.admin] Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
- Message-ID: <9208141531.AA00320@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu>
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- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:31:58 GMT
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- From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
- Newsgroups: news.admin
- Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
- Message-ID: <3716@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca>
- Date: 14 Aug 92 03:36:23 GMT
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- In article <920811.1523457463@foucault.postmodern.com> mcb@foucault.postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) writes:
- >In the referenced article, clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
- >> [With respect to alt.sex.bondage:]
- >> The suggestion simply was: come on guys, do us a favour. We'd like
- >> to receive the main stuff, but the odd bit gives our government
- >> indigestion. How about a split? Or a little gentle reminder from
- >> time to time to get the odd posting redirected to somewhere more
- >> appropriate.
-
- >I've stayed out of this so far, but I don't think you understand how
- >offensive I (and others) find the above paragraph. I have absolutely
- >no interest in any cooperation, no matter how slight, with any form of
- >state censorship. I believe that censorship is not merely evil but Evil,
- >and if your government gives you problems about that, I think you
- >should oppose them.
-
- For a person who is usually relatively well informed, this is a remarkably
- *stupid* and insulting remark.
-
- In case you missed it, Canada is not only a democracy, but these laws
- enjoy the overwhelming support of the entire country. State censorship?
- Bullshit. The state is us. Evil? You're calling the entire country evil.
- At least Reagan had the sense to try to back out of his "evil empire"
- remark, and his remark had a lot more validity than yours.
-
- And why should I, or anybody else bust their butt to "save" crap like
- this? Crap who's only legacy is oppression, misery or even death [ie:
- Keegstra or Zundel].
-
- >I have no interest in giving even trivial respect
- >to Canadian laws that restrict freedom of expression.
-
- How about a little respect for the desires, laws and traditions of
- other countries?
-
- >I consider them
- >an offense to human rights and urge you to oppose them, to struggle
- >against them, to rise up and dismantle the institutions that
- >implement them, by means of the ballot, by means of protest, civil
- >disobedience, demonstration, samizdat, interference, and unblinking
- >opposition.
-
- Why? So a couple of morons get to jack off in from of their computer
- terminals? So that I have to *pay* for this shit?
-
- >And to that end I believe that it is not only a right but a duty of
- >Americans to make it as difficult as possible for Canadian (or any
- >other state's) censors to do their job.
-
- Oh great. You gonna try to invade again? Go "save" somebody else.
- We're simply not interested in what you're selling. We whupped you
- last time you tried.
-
- >If the Ontario Film Review
- >Board's building was on fire, believe me, (other than to rescue
- >trapped people), I would not put water on it.
-
- Shows what little you know. The Ontario Film Review Board does not
- censor movies. Hasn't for a number of years. It now only provides
- ratings. ["anne.jones" notwithstanding ;-)]
-
- >So if censorship (and pressures to resist it, i.e., by cross-border sites
- >that send you "illegal" material) gives you a problem, get on your
- >MLA's case. Don't come whining to Americans telling us to cool it; I
- >think instead we should turn up the heat.
-
- So you have just gotta save us from ourselves.
-
- Save us from evangelical Americans who simply cannot accept that there are
- ways, *viable* ways, other than theirs.
-
- It's attitudes like this that make the term "ugly american" so appropriate.
-
- MLAs? More ignorance. MPs.
-
- MLAs are the term for some provincial politicians. This issue is federal.
- --
- Chris Lewis; clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca; Phone: Canada 613 832-0541
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