home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: vmsnet.alpha
- Path: sparky!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!netcomsv!netcom.com!steveth
- From: steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas)
- Subject: Re: Convincing the management
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.175833.5348@netcom.com>
- Organization: VisionAire, San Francisco, CA
- References: <1993Jan19.122854.22863@jyu.fi>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:58:33 GMT
- Lines: 78
-
- In article <1993Jan19.122854.22863@jyu.fi> HOUGHTON@jylk.jyu.fi (DAVID HOUGHTON, LK) writes:
- >
- >We are hoping to obtain a DEC 3000/400 AXP but have to convince
- >our management that this is going to be a good buy. There are
- >those amongst us that would rather invest in SUN Microsystems.
- >We already possess a VAX4000 and several SUNs, both systems
- >support SAS/SPSX and a bunch of maths packages for graphics,
- >simulation and optimisation.
- >
- >Has anyone out there had a similar task in convincing their
- >management that
- >
- > a) Alpha is the way to go
-
- Alpha is DEC's new hardware architecture. The architecture seems--thus far--
- to have merits over the current offerings by the other major suppliers. Saying
- that the AXP is the way to go is actually sayng teat DEC is the way to go--to
- a large extent. I would not emphasize the purley technical points about the
- processor benchmarks as much as DEC and DEC's place in the world. I know
- people that hate DEC because of the past few years that are taking another
- look at their offerings NOW. DEC is the way to go, in my view--and that's
- why Alpha is the way to go...
-
- > b) Licencing/software costs are favourable
-
- DEC's a software company--they like to make software and charge money for
- it. As far as third parties go, I can't imagine it being much more than other
- platforms, but I have no first-hand experience here...
-
- > c) SUNs are not the way to go
-
- Well, there's DEC, IBM, HP, and Silicon Graphics/MIPS versus Sun. Sun is
- out in left field, as far as standards go. Sun is behind the curve in
- the technology department--their processor architecture is getting old. IBM
- and HP look like their going to play tag with DEC's benchmarks, but I don't
- see Sun anywhere in sight. Sun's got a lot of market share right now--but
- I look for it to erode, becuase they really have nothing going for them
- EXCEPT that market share...
-
- > d) OpenVMS is better than OSF
-
- Well, this is going to be difficult. I say this knowing both operating
- systems very well (especially VMS). VMS, by standards of quality, is way
- better than OSF. VMS does what it does really well--without a hitch in
- mission-critical environments. VMS also tends to be overkill for simple
- workstation environments. Software is more expensive (although it tends to
- be of higher quality) under VMS--and there's less public domain stuff out
- there for it. Personally, I think VMS is great, and I use many of its
- advanced features. For the uninitiated, though, VMS is a hard sell. If you
- have a shop with lots of VMS in it, then I think you'll find that you can
- sell VMS (because the expectation of quality is very high--and only VMS can
- deliver it). OSF, quite simply, breaks a lot (compared to VMS). I've talked
- to lots of people that had never known VMS deny this up and down and tell me
- that they have no problems with thier operating environment--it's all about
- what you're used to. I once talked to a developer from Microsoft. I mentioned
- to him the their "Quick-C" development package just plain didn't work. He
- quickly retorted: "But I ONLY need to reboot about once an HOUR!". Different
- planet... (My VAXStation needed to be rebooted a MONTH ago--hit the power
- switch by accident...).
-
- > e) Support for application software is no problem
-
- In the beginning, Alpha is not going to have as much software, because people
- need to port their stuff over there. I've run into the same question for
- almost everybody I've talked to when they first buy a UNIX box. I'll tell
- you the same thing I've told them: figure out what you want to run on your
- box and then find out what it runs on. Let your software do the driving. You
- might find out that the software you use is already ported to Alpha. If so,
- then you don't have a problem--Alpha is a major platform, and sooner or later
- everybody's going to port to it--it's a simple matter of economics. On the
- other hand, if you can't run the basic applications that you run TODAY on
- the Alpha, then the point to moot...
-
- _________
- Steve Thomas
- steveth@rossinc.com
-
-
-