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- From: TREHARAJ@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk
- Newsgroups: uk.transport
- Subject: re: City Traffic
- Date: 22 Jan 93 12:03:51 GMT
- Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom
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- Steve Hunt writes:
- >This is rather like trying to reduce a swelling in your body by
- >beating it with a hammer. It is a sad example of treating the symptom
- >in a simpleminded way, rather than alleviating the cause.
- >
- >I think they have it the wrong way round. They should improve public
- >transport until it is really convenient, and then the car problem will
- >automatically reduce. Most public transport systems are *desperately*
- >inconvenient when compared with cars; the fact that people prefer to
- >use their cars despite the queues you describe is strong evidence of
- >this.
- >
- We have to look on this in the long term, unfortunately individuals don't
- when it comes to driving to work. BCC have had a campaign to appeal to
- peoples common sense by asking them to share cars or use public transport
- more. It obviously hasn't worked, the motorist sees it as applying to
- other people and hopes the reduction in traffic will be to his
- benefit.
-
- >I would very happily use public transport for more of my travel needs
- >if it had the following properties:-
- >
- >1) Operates as near to "door-to-door" as practicable.
- >2) Operates frequently enough that I don't have to plan my life
- > around the timetable.
- >3) Operates 24 hours a day without degradation of service at night.
- >
- >Until they can claim these three properties, the public transport
- >lobby are not even *trying* to compete with the private vehicle.
- >
-
- The traffic problems I wrote about are those associated with rush hour
- how many people who drive into work in the city manage to get to the
- door of their office? Like I said in my original post: how many people
- bother to find out how the two methods of transport compare?
-
- I see you must be one of those people who sees having to wait a couple
- of minutes for a bus as being a reason to drive. I am not arguing the
- wider issues of public v. private transport, I _am_ talking about rush
- hour traffic within Birmingham. You are hardly going to have to plan your
- life around the timetable of inner-city buses at _this_ time, your
- arguement is more applicable to train and plane timetables.
-
- Ditto this point. Rush hour traffic remember.
-
-
- >The habit of commuting itself is the source of many of our transport
- >problems, as it creates a very high demand twice a day. Thus big road
- >schemes are needed to meet this high instantaneous demand; smaller
- >roads would suffice if the demand were spread out. Rail operators
- >need much of their rolling stock just to service the two rush hours;
- >they could get by with far less if the demand was ironed out.
- >
- >I never hear it mooted in transport debates, but it makes an awful lot
- >of sense: get rid of the rush hour. Because 9 to 5 working is so
- >strongly ingrained in our culture, it would be necessary to introduce
- >legislation, or positive financial incentives, to encourage companies
- >to operate staggered hours or flexitime.
- >
- >Spreading the load of commuter traffic over four or five hours in the
- >morning and evening rather than one or two should make the situation
- >much more tolerable. And as a longer-term goal, the increase in
- >telecommuting promises even greater benefits.
- >--
-
- Come back to the real world, you attacked BCC's strategy as being
- simple-minded, how do you intend getting businesses to do what you
- say? Either entire places of work come in at different times and
- so have a hell of a time communicating with each other in the overlaps
- or the people at each place of work have different working hours......
- I hope your on a wind up on this point. Your suggesting that we change
- working practices to such an extent to pander to the motorist? I prefer
- making travel by car more inconvenient relative to public transport and
- allow the gradual shift to take place, with the number of buses
- increasing at a realistic pace. Like I say this is a long term solution.
-
- Andy T.
-