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- From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
- Subject: Re: Buddhism and the Absolute God
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.201758.17376@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
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- Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
- References: <1993Jan27.063221.3173@nuscc.nus.sg> <C1JC5F.4qB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <lmg7t2INN4ps@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:17:58 GMT
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- In article <lmg7t2INN4ps@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:
- >This looks like fun...
- >OK, I'll play.
- >In article <C1JC5F.4qB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:
- >>Can you make liquid water that is not wet?
- >I can paint a picture of the ocean.
-
- That is not liquid water. That is a picture of liquid water. A picture of a
- thing is not the same as the thing.
-
- >>Can you exist and not exist at the same time?
- >If I were to become unconscious, "I" would not exist, yet my
- >body would exists.
-
- This is an example of the fallacy of "equivocation". You are using the same
- word to mean two different things.
-
- >>Can you make a square circle?
- >Move the circle from 2-D space to 3-D space, and extend it into
- >the z axis the same amount as its diameter. It is now both a square
- >and a circle.
-
- No, it is neither a square nor a circle, since the definition of a square
- implies that it only exists along two axes. Of course, you could redefine a
- square and circle to mean something other than what the original poster meant,
- but we're then back to equivocation.
-
- >>Can you make 2+2=5
- >Sure - "2+2=5"
-
- More equivocation, this time between the original meaning and your meaning
- for the word "make".
-
- >>Can you make it rain and not rain in the same place at the same time?
- >Yes. Enclose the Earth in a big box. It is now raining and not raining
- >in the same place (the box) at the same time.
-
- More equivocation (again? But that trick never works!) What he meant by
- "not raining" was "in no part of the area is rain falling". With this
- definition, your example is not an example of the thing requested.
-
- >>Aren't these logical impossibilities, and therefor not a limitation of power?
- >Are they impossibilities?
- >How many did I get right?
-
- What I'm really wondering is this: Why, in almost all of your responses, did
- you "prove" the impossible thing was possible by using equivocation? Can't
- you even think of some other fallacies to use?
-
- Is there something special about your religion that commands that you use the
- fallacy of equivocation whenever confronted with something claimed to be
- impossible?
-
- It is scarcely news that if you redefine a word to mean what you want, you
- can prove lots of things about it. I can prove murder is good; all I have to
- do is to redefine "rape" as something you already believe to be good.
- --
- "On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey!
- On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole
- that she made from Leftover Turkey.
- [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
- -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)
-
- Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
-