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- From: garrett@Ingres.COM (TRUTH IS. BELIEF IS NOT REQUIRED.)
- Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
- Subject: Re: Libertarian support for unions
- Summary: Different standings
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.003021.14120@pony.Ingres.COM>
- Date: 28 Jan 93 00:30:21 GMT
- References: <1993Jan22.023251.7892@s1.gov> <1993Jan22.123004.23841@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <1993Jan27.021512.6030@pony.Ingres.COM> <1993Jan27.113110.6846@desire.wright.edu>
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- In article <1993Jan27.113110.6846@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes...
- >In article <1993Jan27.021512.6030@pony.Ingres.COM>, garrett@Ingres.COM (IF YOU CANNOT CONVINCE THEM, CONFUSE THEM) writes:
- >>...
- >> While I admire the sentiments, this is a very innocent statement.
- >> If you work for a non-union company, call up a union to send someone down
- >> and hand out cards. Then see how long you keep your job. You'll have your
- >> eyes opened very quickly.
- >
- > When I worked for Federated Dept. Stores (the old, pre-Campeau one),
- >the managers called everyone in for a meeting.
- > They said that we'd be getting a visit from a union organizer and
- >wanted to present their side. Which they did very effectively. It never even
- >came to a vote :).
- > But no one was fired....
- >
- I'm glad for you. It's too bad that your example is the exception rather
- than the rule. I'd be glad to give examples if someone requests them.
-
- > The tendency seems to be the more educated the profession, the less
- >likely there is to be a need for unions. I'm certainly not going to give up my
- >right to negotiate with the company because someone promises to look out for my
- >interestes.
- > I can do that just fine, and I don't have to pay anyone for the
- >"privilige".
-
- This is an old debating point. It's goes back to the AFL vs. CIO conflict.
- The AFL was a strictly trade union organization, while the CIO was a radical
- organization that included the low-skilled workers. Strikes that the CIO were
- sometimes busted because the AFL decided that they didn't need to honor the
- picket lines.
- When the robber barons
- cracked down on the unions and threatened to wipe them out is when the AFL
- realized that they needed to work WITH the lower skilled workers because
- "we are all in the same boat". I guess some people just want to feel that they
- don't need to work WITH their fellow man.
- >
- >Brett
- > "There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an
- >intellectual conviction." Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert.
-
- I read this book and I can't see how it has any relevance to anything that
- we might discuss in this group.
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