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- From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
- Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
- Subject: Re: Ideologies
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.193032.1963@news.columbia.edu>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 19:30:32 GMT
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- >vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
- >
- > The waiting for Perot thread has some serious distortions in it,
- > basically the statement that Adolph Hitler was a leftist! NOT.
- > Here is the political spectrum. You sort it out.
-
- It seems compressed for American standards ... then on an American
- scale, the Canadian parties may be described as:
-
- > Commun. Social. Demo. Repub. Bush Reagan Dole Quayle A.H.
- > | | | | | | | | |
- > v v v v v v v v v
- > -----------------------------------------------------------------
- > LEFT CENTER RIGHT RUSH
-
- ^ ^ ^ ^
- | | | | Reform Party of Canada
- New Democratic | |
- Party of Canada | Progressive Conservative
- | Party of Canada (Mulroney)
- |
- Liberal Party of Canada (Trudeau and after)
-
- Note that over the past 15-20 years, there was a left-shift among the
- Liberals and the Conservatives and the new Reform Party is a remnant
- of old Conservatives. Also, note that the standard deviation in
- beliefs within Canadian parties is much wider -- more wide than the
- overlap of edges between US Democrats and Republicans, populated with
- Red Tories and traditional, free trading Liberals (i.e., mainstream).
-
- Personally, after living in Quebec, what is interpreted by English-
- speakers as "left" is partly an infusion of french culture and values
- after the arrival of new leaders from Quebec (Trudeau for the
- Liberals, Mulroney for the Tories). If you consider Napoleon
- Bonaparte to have been a socialist, then what I just said was
- irrelevant.
-
- medkeffjs@hiramb.hiram.edu writes:
- >
- >No. Adolph Hitler, you will recall, was the leader of the National
- >Socialist Party of Germany. That would put him solidly in the left,
- >between Communism and Democrats.
-
- What's in a name? The solidly pro-business party leading Japan is
- called the Liberal-Democrats, after the European conception of what
- "Liberal" means. "Mein Kampf" was pretty devoid of socialist ideas if
- my memory serves me correctly. It seems this idea of Hitler having
- been a leftist is a unique feature of the American conservative/
- libertarian wing (my future father-in-law is a Christian-Democrat
- (Kohl), and he shook his head and let out a huge belly-laugh when
- I mentioned that idea to him last Christmas) in the post-McCarthy
- era ...
-
- gld
- --
- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Gary L. Dare
- > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!
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