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- From: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi)
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- Subject: Re: National debt is not bad
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- Date: 21 Jan 93 21:13:49 GMT
- References: <1993Jan19.072554.27179@oracle.us.oracle.com> <1993Jan19.140407.20741@midway.uchicago.edu> <WILLOCH.93Jan19171019@geos114.geos01.sinet.slb.com> <1993Jan19.183705.29526@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- In article <1993Jan19.183705.29526@midway.uchicago.edu>,
- thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
- |> In article <WILLOCH.93Jan19171019@geos114.geos01.sinet.slb.com>
- willoch@geos01.sinet.slb.com (thorbjorn willoch) writes:
- |> >In article <1993Jan19.140407.20741@midway.uchicago.edu>
- thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
- |> >> Yes. Not a single US debt holder has ever gone unpaid.
- |> >
- |> >Well, many US debt holders bought long term papers with low nominal
- |> >interest that was then reduced much in value by inflation. So at least
- |> >many US debt holders has gone underpaid.
- |>
- |> That risk was accounted for ex ante in the original interest rate. Some
- |> investors guessed wrong. That just gives a better incentive to guess
- |> right. That's the free market, no?
- |>
-
- There's more. The implication is that one buys a long term bond and takes
- ones' chance over the long term. Not really true. There is a fluid
- secondary market in long-term paper that allows buyers to get in and out
- at their option, so it's always possible to update a decision and cut
- one's losses.
-
- One thing that few mention is that there is considerable cost in the
- the government subsidizing, or indirectly guaranteeing certain forms of
- investment which is supposed to have the effect of "stabilizing"
- secondary markets. This cost for example covers loan defaults for FNMA
- secured mortgage-backed securities and student loans.
-
- Those who frequently bemoan the welfare state and social spending are
- usually quick to forget these subsidies which go to capitalists to save
- them the trouble of having to intelligently qualify their investments.
- What we get as a result are lazier investors and larger deficits, though
- If I recall correctly, these "handouts" appear "off-budget." How
- convenient for investors to hide their handouts and point the fingers
- at others.
-
- Paul Collacchi
-