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- From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
- Subject: Re: Enforcing U.N. sanctions
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.000746.5315@Princeton.EDU>
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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:07:46 GMT
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- In <73828@cup.portal.com> L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno) writes:
- >jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
- >>In article <1jeom3INNko7@tamsun.tamu.edu> enbal@aeroj.tamu.edu (James L. Heilman) writes:
-
- >>> Why do we (the U.S.) enforce U.N. sanctions against Iraq (an islamic
- >>> country) while ignoring sanctions and resolutions against Serbia and
- >>> Israel which are designed to aid people that are predominantly moslem?
-
- >>The implication that we don't help Moslems is wrong:
-
- >>1. We drove Iraq out of Kuwait, which is a mostly (or entirely)
- >> Moslem country.
-
- > And *that's* a good example of how we help out Muslim nations?
- >Even Admiral Crowe stated that the U.S. amassed its soldiers in the
- >Persian Gulf to protect our chief national interest there - which is
- >oil, of course.
-
- So? It still helped Moslems. The fact that there was another reason
- doesn't mean that it didn't help Moslems.
-
- >>2. We have been trying to enforce a no-fly zone, to prevent
- >> Iraq from killing yet other Moslem groups.
-
- > In case people have forgotten, there's also a 'no-fly' zone over
- >Bosnia-Herzegovina as well. But it's not being enforced at all, despite
- >the multiple violations from Serbian aircraft. As for the Shiite Muslims
-
- True, but no one thinks this is anything except symbolic. The Serbians
- have no fixed-wing aircraft, just some helicopters, and it isn't going
- to help break the siege or end ethnic cleansing to shoot down these copters.
-
- The other reason is that the troops on the ground are worried about
- being attacked if we intervene. Like what got all those Marines killed
- in Beiruit -- we intervened on one side, got to seem partisan, and even
- though those Marines were peacekeepers, they still got killed.
-
- >being protected by the Southern Iraq 'no-fly' zone, what do we really know
- >about them? The media speaks very little of them (the *entire* basis of
- >the 'no-fly' zone there to begin with!), and as far as I can tell, the main
- >body that has worried the Iraqi regime are a terrorist group that is wholly
- >backed by Iran - right across the border. I thought U.S. policy was not to
- >aid or protect known terrorist groups. If the U.S. was so worried about
- >the fate of minority within a country, then what's the justification for
- >ignoring the plight of the Kurds before the Persian Gulf war? Are we
- >*really* (as a country) that concerned with the suffering of Muslim
- >minorities?
-
- Not especially, as a country. But we are protecting them here.
-
- >>As for the two cases you raise:
-
- >>The Bosnia case is simple: what CAN we do there to enforce
- >>sanctions? The current situations in Iraq and Somallia are
- >>much simpler.
-
- > Really? Considering that no one is enforcing the U.N. resolutions
- >in Bosnia, it's not difficult to see what can be done (i.e. enforce them).
- >Iraq is really that simple? How so? And as for Somalia, in case you
- >haven't noticed, U.S. troops are being fired upon at an increasing rate...
- >is there any mystery as to why?
-
- >>As for our support for Israel, well, this is much more complex.
- >>But it mostly comes down to what should we do to a country
- >>that is our friend and acts very well most of the time. Yes,
- >>Israel has done a few things I've disliked. But most of the
- >>time they have acted in a reasonable and civilized manner, and
- >>thus we remain on friendly terms with them.
-
- > Reasonable and civilized as long as you are not an Arab.
-
- Well, I don't think that the US normally recognizes those standards.
- Not when the people opposing Israel go around hijacking Italian cruise
- liners or American planes.
-
- >Interesting to note that the U.N. has ordered Israel to re-patriate the
- >exiled Palestinians (whom were ejected without due process or even a
- >hearing). I don't see any no-fly zones being imposed over Israel. Yet
- >*one* infraction against the U.N. committed by Hussein is cause enough to
- >drop million-dollar bombs on them and slam not-too accurate cruise missiles
- >up against Baghdad.
-
- *One* infraction? Annexing Kuwait is kind of a big one.
-
- Everything since then has been personal between Bush and Saddam.
-
- --
- David M. Nieporent | "We don't need anymore [sic] wretched refuse. It's
- niepornt@phoenix. | time to send the Statue of Liberty somewhere else"
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