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- From: mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin Hulsey)
- Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals
- Subject: Re: CBS's "60 Minutes" damns PeTA
- Message-ID: <mhulsey-260193163414@fatrat.fcs.uga.edu>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 22:02:01 GMT
- References: <1k0a79INNl54@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <C1FB0G.DK3@wpg.com> <1993Jan25.215302.17064@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1993Jan26.173127.12639@clpd.kodak.com>
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- In article <1993Jan26.173127.12639@clpd.kodak.com>,
- black@che.serum.kodak.com (Robert Black (x37236)) wrote:
- >
- >[...]
- >
- > Here's a copy of Barnard's letter to Wallace which appeared on AREN
- > this morning:
- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Thanks for providing this information Bob.
-
- >[...]
-
- > 1. Considerable air time was spent establishing that the cats were
- > anesthetized when shot. This was never in question. The pain we were
- > concerned about was after the anesthesia was turned off. At least 33
- > percent of the brain-damaged cats survived their injuries and no
- > anesthesia or pain killers were used after wounding.
-
- If whether or not the cats were anesthetized when shot was "never in
- question," why did Barnard look so surprised when he was told that PETA's
- claims in this regard were false?
-
- Do you have any information as to why this unusual course of treatment was
- followed? Was this protocol approved by the IACUC? What was the
- justification? Is Barnard omitting something?
-
- >[...]
- >
- > 2. While the GAO's "medical panel" did make positive comments about
- > the experiments, your report left out the fact that, before they met,
- > they were telephoned and asked to issue a positive report by the head
- > of a national neurological surgery organization.
-
- Were any of the "experts" on the second panel pressured in like fashion?
-
- >One of the panel
- > members reported to you the serious technical problems of the
- > experiments, but you chose to exclude her from the program.
-
- Was she from the same panel? Why didn't Barnard give her name?
-
- If true, I would consider this a serious omission.
-
- >
- > 3. Carey stated that he was on the brink of "showing that this drug
- > would really work when our research funding was shut off." As you
- > know, this is nonsense.
-
- How does Barnard know this?
-
- >In Carey's first Army contract, he was
- > supposed to test medications but did not do so. According to the GAO,
- > "For example, testing treatment drugs was an objective of the first
- > contract, yet the principal investigator stated that no drugs were
- > tested." (P.37)
-
- If Carey was under the second contract when funding was terminated, is this
- relevant?
-
- >While he did start using medications eventually in the
- > second contract, the idea of an imminent "breakthrough" at LSU is
- > simply a fiction.
-
- How does Barnard know this?
-
- >
- > 4. Your program entirely omitted any discussion of the scientific
- > fraud aspects of the case. Carey's fraudulent public claims about
- > being the first to discover post-wounding apnea were omitted, even
- > though your staff saw him make these false claims on local Louisiana
- > television and saw similar claims in his published accounts.
-
- If memory serves, Russell's newspaper article indicated that this was shown
- a long time ago (ca. 1890). It is difficult to search such old (pre-1966)
- literature, so I would not accept a charge of fraud if Carey omitted such
- an old publication.
-
- > ... some of his data were beyond the limits of possibility.
-
- Gee Bob, how does GAO determine this? They must have some top secret
- "possibility detector."
-
- > 5. There was almost no mention of the fact that there are other,
- > better methods of research on brain injury.
-
- This is not fact, but Barnard's opinion. Don't you just hate people who
- purport their opinion as fact?
-
- >Clinical study of head injury patients is of far more utility than animal experiments.
-
- Ditto.
-
- >Head
- > injury can be a terrible thing, and those conducting legitimate
- > clinical research are not well served by this fanciful portrayal of
- > what, in fact, were poorly controlled and frankly cruel experiments.
-
- Ditto again. Barnard falsely implies that clinical research is the only
- legitimate form of research.
-
- >
- > In an interview with Dr. Michael DeBakey which I published in 1990, Dr.
- > DeBakey complained that Sixty Minutes will not hesitate to rearrange
- > reality. DeBakey was complaining of a Sixty Minutes program on heart
- > surgery, but his comments would apply equally well to this most recent
- > program: "And the worst one was Sixty Minutes. This fellow, Mike Wallace,
- > came down here and spent a day with me. Never put me on. He completely
- > edited my remarks out of the program because I told the truth about it...
- > When the truth doesn't fit in with their notions of what is presentable,
- > they don't include it."
-
- Does anyone else see the similarities between Barnard's arguments and
- Russell's?
-
- >[...]
-
- --
- mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin G. Hulsey)
- Neuroscience, NRA-ILA, SSIB, NAASO, IASO
-