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- From: amc@wucs1.wustl.edu (Adam Costello)
- Subject: Re: Vegitarianism
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:51:31 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan24.231236.3267@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:
- >
- >Whenever you bring a domestic animal to be raised for
- >food into a pristine environment, you change it, usually drastically.
- >For example, much of the Amazon rain forest is being burned off to grow
- >beef. If you take all the lions *out* of their environment, you change
- >it, again drastically, as the former prey now multiply out of control
- >and start to outgraze their food supply, sometimes to the point of
- >permanently altering the flora, then begin to die in large numbers from
- >starvation and disease. I'm not saying that it is impossible to raise a
- >herd of some domesticated animal without noticably damaging the
- >ecosystem (notice that I said "is not beneficial", not "is detrimental")
- >but I can't think of any ecologic benefit.
-
- You talk as if the "environment" is some sort of being with its own
- desires. "Environment" just means "surroundings". Surroundings have
- to surround someone, namely the person uttering the word "environment".
- This person is the one who has desires. If this person can change his
- environment, drastically, to better serve his desires, isn't that a
- good thing?
-
- Put another way, you seem to think that the environment has value
- which is maximized when the environment is completely unaffected by
- humans. But for something to have value, there has to be someone who
- values it. Humans value their environment more than any other animals
- do, because humans make the most use of it. Therefore, the value of
- the environment can be increased by the efforts of humans.
-
- To show that humans are "damaging" the environment, it is not enough
- to show that they are changing it drastically. You have to show that
- they are changing it into something that is less valuable *to them*.
-
- AMC
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