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- From: cdminter@icaen.uiowa.edu (Corey D Minter)
- Subject: Re: Vegitarianism
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.013555.1669@icaen.uiowa.edu>
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- References: <1993Jan16.180706.3126@cnsvax.uwec.edu> <1993Jan20.034654.1597@news.eng.convex.com>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:35:55 GMT
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- cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan16.180706.3126@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:
-
- >>>I have been struggling with these questions lately. I see no
- >>>qualitative distinction between the consciousness of man and other
- >>>higher mammals, only a quantitative one.
- >>>[stuff gone]
- >>> Yet I feel vaguely guilty about both of these positions.
- >>>Is there a philosopher in the house?
-
- >You're asking some very important questions, and you're caught in a
- >dilemma.
-
- >If I may paraphrase your position, it's something like this: You
- >want to justify abortion on the basis of some criterion--some quality that
- >the fetus lacks, but the infant posesses. You think that "sentience" or
- >"consciousness" may be appropriate terms for this quality.
- >[stuff deleted]
- >Is a child more valuable than a chicken? "Valuable" in what sense? Things
- >have value _to_ someone; I don't understand the notion of "intrinsic"
- >value. I don't think this question has anything to do with value.
- >Why should we think that an argument is _required_ to prohibit murder, or
- >that a criterion must be found that confers a right to live? Where did we
- >get the idea that philosophy ought to give us _reasons_ for the simplest
- >things?
-
- I agree and...
- How would you react if I suggested that your morality is nothing more than
- an evolved habit and a result of a culture propagating much like genetic dna
- on its ability (no personification intended) to propagate? However despite
- the origin of my morality, I still have the desire to be what majority opinion
- will label as 'good'. I really can't pinpoint the source of that desire, but
- I see no theistic authoritative origin either. I would guess that culture's
- idea of morality evolved because it predated a good ability to reason deeply
- and the enviroment favored that direction. Actually to undo that may not be
- a good idea, it is still true today that not all people have the ability to
- reason very well, but are very good at following moral codes that are simplified
- for them. (this is just an observation, not something I hope is really true)
- I hope that someone replies to this. I suppose someone will acuse me of
- some nasty things because of my view of morality. Please do, but be specific.
-
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- "The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face."
- "We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them
- personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me." -Jack Handy, SNL
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