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- From: throopw@sheol.UUCP (Wayne Throop)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Holden and venus
- Summary: Holden Venus scenario inconsistent with self (whether or not with greenhouse)
- Message-ID: <727677245@sheol.UUCP>
- Date: 22 Jan 93 02:30:15 GMT
- References: <199@fedfil.UUCP> <C0r74K.LC@cs.dal.ca> <727334655@sheol.UUCP> <231@fedfil.UUCP>
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- : From: news@fedfil.UUCP (news)
- : Message-ID: <231@fedfil.UUCP>
- : [entire article deleted for lack of serious content]
-
- Now, now. Ted isn't giving me enough credit for serious temperment.
- I'm being VERY serious when I point out the reasons that Ginenthal
- comes across as a scientific illiterate.
-
- : Basically, I have shown that, in order to satisfy their own preconceived
- : notions, astronomers are presently falsifying/doctoring/concocting weird
- : explainations for three entire classes of phenomena, [...]
- : Throop has no way of denying that I have shown this and he knows it;
- : anything else on his part is bullshit.
-
- I acknowledge that Ted has claimed to show this. I don't need to
- agree with his interpretation of the material he quotes.
-
- But the above Ted-ism completely misses the point. The point is, even
- when you take the numbers Ted and Ginenthal have presented, they don't
- add up. Let's look at the three points Ted addressed:
-
- : i.e. actual measurements
- : of heat flux at the top of the Venereal atmosphere,
-
- The only reference to a quantity for these measurements Ted has supplied
- is 15% excess over solar input.
-
- : actual observations
- : of rising, planet-wide concentric waves in the middle and high atmosphere
- : (huge evidence of heat being dissipated far beyond what SGH would call for),
-
- The number Ginenthal gets from Strabismus is several times solar input,
- and he purports that this much energy is transported from the surface to
- the upper atmosphere.
-
- : and evidence of major upward heat (ir) flux in the low atmosphere.
-
- The number Ted gives (of 600 w/m^2) would be roughly equal to
- solar input if planet wide, less if only some percentage of the
- cross section of the lower atmosphere was involved.
-
- Now, Ted is claiming that several times solar input energy is
- transported from the surface to the upper atmosphere, yet only 15% solar
- input energy is leaving the planet. I repeat: these are the numbers Ted
- presented in his support for his three points above, the numbers he
- claims the "uniformitarian conspiracy" are covering up.
-
- There is no way all three of those numbers can be correct, they aren't
- even *close* to being mutually consistent. Yet they are all part of
- Ted's scenario, as he himself explained above.
-
- : When an entire discipline, organization, or area of study is snaffed
- : up that badly, something is wrong with one of the high-level constructs
- : of their entire world view: in this case, the insistence on believing in
- : a multi- million year age for Venus.
-
- When an entire gaggle of catastrophists insist that 2+2=22,
- something is wrong with their arithmetic.
- --
- Wayne Throop ...!mcnc!dg-rtp!sheol!throopw
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