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- From: SURGDM@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Diane)
- Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.feminism
- Subject: Re: What feminists believe
- Message-ID: <16B63DCA6.SURGDM@mizzou1.missouri.edu>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 21:41:18 GMT
- References: <1993Jan22.093251.30@microsoft.com> <1993Jan23.201809.730@hellgate.utah.edu> <1993Jan26.041428.20956@microsoft.com> <1993Jan26.191422.7632@netcom.com>
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- In article <1993Jan26.191422.7632@netcom.com>
- payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
-
- >It might interest you to know that while in the USMC, I talked to many
- >female Marines who were quite vocal about refusing to fight. I also knew
- >of a few women who got pregnant to get out. They still have this option,
- >there are massive differences beyond combat. Women in the military have
- >their privacy respected, men do not.
- >
- When I was in the Army, I knew several people of *both* genders who
- were vocally opposed to combat. I also knew men who shaved their entire
- bodies, began wetting their bunks, and masturbated in public in order to
- get out of the Army under Section 8s. There still is this option. Privacy
- in the military? Maybe in the Marines, but I saw little evidence of it in
- the Army, for *either* sex. When I was in basic I lived on a 40-woman
- open bay. There were 4 stall-less toilets and one large shower room. At my
- permanent duty station I shared a room with 3 other women with one bathroom
- for each floor. Privacy in the field (playing war) was non-existant (no
- latrines, 2-person pup tents, etc).
-
- >There is so many non-combat related pro-female biases in the military that
- >could easily be addressed, but are not, that I doubt that women in the
- >military will even work under equaivalnat conditions as the men. And there
- >is always the issue of pregnancy as an out, what if this happened during
- >a combat situation? What if this happened accidentally?
- >
-
- Getting pregnant to get out of the military! Boy, is *that* shooting
- yourself in the foot! Wait a minute! there were *men* during 'Nam that
- actually *did* shoot themselves in the foot to get out of combat! Why,
- there were even men who shot their commanding officers to get out of combat!
-
- But really,
- In an 'equal' situation, a pregnant soldier would be treated no differently
- than any other soldier with a temporary disability. I had my daughter while
- I was a crewchief at Ft. Campbell. I worked on the line (in civvies- there
- were no maternity flightsuits at that time!) until the 8th month, when I
- took a desk job in supply until I went into labor. I was back in 6 weeks
- and finished out my obligation. I spent less time out than one of our
- lieutenants who hurt his back on a fishing trip!
-
- I will try to dig up the study that I participated in (in the late '70s)
- that the Army conducted to study the impact of pregnancy on troop strength.
- It found that soldiers *who had pregnant wives* took more time off from
- duty than pregnant soldiers did!
-
- So tell me, what are these great advantages to being a woman in the military
- that I seem to have *completely* missed?
-
- Diane
-