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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: What feminists believe (was: Re: Male Men Bashers)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.164500.18007@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
- References: <1993Jan23.201809.730@hellgate.utah.edu> <1993Jan26.041428.20956@microsoft.com> <93026.073259RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:45:00 GMT
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- In article <93026.073259RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
- >From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
- >
- >-
- >-I have serious reservations about drafts in general, and am glad that
- >-no draft currently exists in my country [USA - registration <> draft].
- >-
- >-However, to have men be drafted and not women reinforces the &*)% gender
- >-roles about how men are to sacrifice themselves for the sake of women
- >-& children and that women are helpless little darlings that can barely
- >-wipe their own behinds, much LESS do anything useful or productive.
- >-
- >-To summarize: I prefer no draft [and no registration]. However, if there
- >-is a draft, it should be of both genders.
- >-
- >-Yes, I've written my rep & senators on this issue.
-
- Jen, you mean that both masculine and feminine should be drafted? I thought
- the choices were men and women?
-
- >--jen
- >
- >
- > I think you are very fairminded on this issue (i.e. my position is exactly
- >the same as yours!) except perhaps that women might be given the same
- >choice (if they wish) that conscientious objectors are given - namely
- >to give some OTHER service.
- >
- > There is another curious discrimination also going on here. Policemen and
- >firemen (mostly men) are paid fairly well, in part because they risk their
- >lives at their jobs. However, draftees, who are at much greater risk, are
- >not paid nearly as well. One could think of the draft as expropriation of
- >property without adequate compensation.
- >
- > Some years ago (in the late 70s) the Boston Globe wrote in an editorial
- >that job preferences for veterans were bad because `women had been denied
- >the opportunity to be veterans'.
-
- Perhaps you missed the point, if the veterans were women, then they would get
- special preferances in hiring. So the greater the proportion of women, the
- more AA would have reduced the veterans job problems. Of course, the men
- would have probably been even worse off than today, but overall, things
- would be better. :^/
-
- Ain't social engineering great?
-
- > This really takes the cake. I bet the
- >editorial was written by a `gallant' man! It is hard to imagine a woman
- >being quite so unfair to men in general - at least not one who writes
- >editorials for the Globe.
-
- Where I use to work, the women would occasionally get mad at me for no
- particular reason. Or at least due to the rule of silence, they would not
- tell me what the imagined offense was. During lunch they would talk as
- I was not there. I have heard enough to know that women can that unfair.
- Looking back, I learned a lot at that job.
-
- >Rohit Parikh
-
-
- Rich
-
- payner@netcom.com
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