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- From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
- Subject: Re: Thoughts on Sexual Harassment
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.195542.9355@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
- Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
- References: <1993Jan20.025517.23620@leland.Stanford.EDU> <C15uqF.IK5@apollo.hp.com> <1993Jan20.180216.21755@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:55:42 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan20.180216.21755@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
- >Interesting. I'd say that there already were laws and practices against
- >exposing oneself in public to any one of any gender, and that these have
- >been enforced in the past without labelling the practice 'sexual harassment'.
- >
- >To go back to your earlier example, do you think that adults would have put
- >a stop to those boys who exposed themselves to other boys (or anybody else)
- >if they knew it was happening? I do. I think they still would.
-
- I don't know, in all honesty. I would hope adults would do that. I
- also wonder if they wouldn't just laugh and say, "well, boys will be
- boys." (An attitude, btw, that hurts male victims of these bully boys
- as much as female victims.)
-
- >I think that calling exposure like this 'sexual harssment' is very
- >misleading and ascribes implicitly motivation to the children that they don't
- >have (most likely). I hope people wake up to this before it's too late. If
- >they don't, it will in the longer term be self-correcting, IMO. The 'magic'
- >in the words of 'sexual harassment' will tend to go away as people get a
- >more accurate impression of the range of behavior that it describes by
- >personal experience. Which seems likely to me if it is taught to them
- >from school-age on.
-
- My understanding is that there are two forms of sexual harassment: (1)
- the actual "date me/screw me or lose this job, promotion, or housing;
- and (2) an atmosphere, whether by bosses or coworkers, that makes it
- extremely uncomfortable for someone to do her/his work. I think the
- harassment of girls about their bodies and by being called names with
- sexual overtones (sluts, cunts, etc.) _is_ sexual harassment by the
- latter definition.
-
- BTW, I watched a PBS "workshop" a couple of months ago where a lawyer
- stated that any unwanted touching by anyone can be considered sexual
- harassment. In other words, a hetero woman can put her hand on the
- shoulder of another hetero woman and if the touchee doesn't like it,
- asks that it not be done, yet it continues, it is sexual harassment.
- The fact that the toucher doesn't have a sexual interest in the
- touchee doesn't appear to matter.
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