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- From: adric@access.digex.com (William Johnson)
- Newsgroups: soc.women
- Subject: Re: What does "Male-dominated society" mean?
- Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:09:44 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan17.170653.28692@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
- >In article <1j9f5mINNdru@transfer.stratus.com> dswartz@redondo.sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:
- > The main question is why he is
- >>allowed to get away with beating up his wife/girlfriend. As far as I can
- >>tell (from anecdotal evidence of abused friends/relatives), the answer
- >>is because the victims rarely press criminal charges against their
- >>abusers AND STAY THE COURSE! I can't count the number of times I've heard
- >>person A beat up person B and B either wouldn't press charges, or did but
- >>changed their mind.
- >
- >What is a proscription to you? I would think that if I thought there
- >were a proscription against violence, it would mean that most people
- >aren't violent even when they want to be because the proscription
- >prevents them from being violent. How many times does a proscription
- >have to be violated for us to declare the proscription null? (To me
- >this also can be said about the incest taboo, how many children have
- >to be sexually abused by their parents before we say that it's
- >bullshit to speak of an incest taboo.)
-
- But hang on a second! Would you agree that murder is not socially acceptable?
- Would you agree that it is proscribed by our society? And yet murders occur
- every day. I live in the Washington DC area, and not a day goes by when we
- don't hear about SOMEONE who has been murdered in DC or the surrounding
- environs. Quite a lot of murder going on, but I think you'd be hard pressed
- to prove that as a society we do NOT have a proscription against murder.
-
- Simply that many people will ignore society's wishes in favor of their
- own. Right or wrong, this is how things work with some people.
-
- This isn't to argue whether there IS or IS NOT a proscription against
- violence towards women, simply to point out that the fact that many people
- don't follow the proscription DOESN'T mean it doesn't exist.
-
- As I've said before, little boys are told that under no circumstances
- should they hit little girls. Ever. Even if the little girl hits first.
-
- > And as to why the wives/girlfriends are usually on
- >>the receiving end? Probably because they are ones who are around when X
- >>gets home from a crappy day at the office and is looking for someone to
- >>take it out on.
- >
- >So, where is the proscription? I would think it would kick in when
- >the man got home after a crappy day. "I feel like hell and I'd like
- >to punch my wife in the face for being grumpy towards me, but I won't
- >because it's wrong to hit a woman." Isn't that exactly the
- >proscription we're talking about? But where does it work? Not in my
- >family, not in my neighborhood.
-
- Ok, about 1 year ago, two teen-agers went out on New Years Day, just
- minutes after New Year's Eve, and decided (drunk as they were) that it
- would be neat to commit the first murder of 1992. So they stumbled around
- until about 2am (or maybe it was later, I forget the details) they found
- someone else out and about. So they killed him. Isn't that exactly the
- proscription against murder we supposedly have? But where does it work?
- Not in this neighborhood, it would appear. And yet it does. Because for
- every one lunatic out there who will kill someone just because it's
- something to do, there are hundreds who WON'T. And I doubt there are
- many people who have not at one time or another been mad enough to want
- to hurt someone. Mad enough, at least in the short burst of passionate
- anger, to want to kill them. But we never even seriously entertain the
- idea, often don't even consciously think about it, because we know it's
- wrong. Similarly, there are many many men who come home from a long day
- at work, tired and grumpy, and get really ticked when the first thing they
- hear through the door is how terrible their family's day was. All that man
- wants (or woman, but we're discussing male violence towards women) is a
- chance to sit down, relax, and maybe have a bit of dinner. And yet the
- sudden onslaught of negativity during this period of low strength does not
- prompt MOST men to violence. Because most men know that violence towards
- ANYONE is proscribed.
-
- The failure of some individuals to follow societal proscriptions does not
- mean they aren't there. Otherwise, you would have to say that there are
- NO societal proscriptions. After all, every one of them has been broken
- by SOMEONE.
-
- Will.
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