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- From: diamond@acpub.duke.edu (Elizabeth Abrams)
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- Subject: Re: Meeting women in clubs
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- Date: 21 Jan 93 17:58:58 GMT
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- In article <MARTINC.93Jan21095216@grover.cs.unc.edu> martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
-
- >It
- >looks wrong somehow] you'll find that the behaviors of gorillas,
- >chimpanzees, and bonobos over and over look *amazingly* like behaviors
- >of humans in similar situations.
-
- Well, yeah... but they also look amazingly different when you get down
- to specifics. My remark about eating the infants of neighbors was meant
- as a joke, but the point is that while humans probably employ functionally
- similar strategies to maximize their own reproductive fitness while
- minimizing that of they neighbors, they don't actually offer to babysit
- for the six-month-old next door and then refuse to give him back or feed
- him, or just devour him outright, somthing which happens in ape societies
- fairly frequently. You can make broad arguments and form hypotheses by
- studying non-human primates, but before I'd be convinced that staring is
- threatening to humans I'd want to see it checked out in humans. Accept no
- substitutes. (Just for the record, I think that staring probably is
- threatening to humans- I'm just not willing to buy the comparative psych.
- argument.)
-
- >You seem to be starting from
- >the (to me clearly unwarrented) assumption that there is some break,
- >some discontinuity between the "natural world" and "us". But every time
- >someone proposes a distinction that is particularly "human" -- language
- >use, tool making, "war", sexual behavior -- there is a primate that has
- >the same behavior, or the clear capability.
-
- I'm not sure what Josh's point was, but *my* point is that there's a
- difference between a human and a chimpanzee, just like there's a difference
- between a chimpanzee and a gorilla. Different species, however similar,
- often differ in their behavior patterns (and this may even apply
- to species so closely related that they can be cross-fertile under
- unusual circumstances). We share lots of behavior with other primates,
- but we also have lots that are expressed in ways that are uniquely ours,
- and you can't know to what category a specific behavior belongs without
- examining both the species in question.
-
- --Diamond
-
- diamond@acpub.duke.edu| We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn
- Elizabeth S. Abrams | them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress
- | but the memory of the smell of smoke, and the
- | presumption that once our eyes watered. -Tom Stoppard
-