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- From: prasanth@ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
- Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
- Subject: Re: Desires
- Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:55:18 -0800
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- Approved: toshi@cco.caltech.edu (Toshi Takeuchi)
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- Hello,
-
- Toshi writes :
-
- > I don't mean to discourage you, but I am having trouble understanding the
- > meaning of your post. Could you please elaborate your logic?
- > Namely, could you say how it is illogical and how it violates the
- > 2nd law of thermo?
-
- My Reply:
- --------
- In article <1jg2n7INNjks@gap.caltech.edu>, abulsari@aton.abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT) writes:
- > > We normally desire toys of some kind - children desire their kind
- > > of toys, we desire other kinds of toys. In any case, we don't
- > > know what is good for us and what is not. Thus it is not a good
- > > idea to desire something.
- >
- > I do not wish to get into this discussion (as it is beyond my
- > powers of reason). Just want to point out that the conclusion is
- > illogical and that it violates the second law of thermodynamics.
-
- Here's an argument similar to what Abhay wrote:
-
- 1. I dont know whether God exists or not.
- 2. If God exists and I believe in God, then it is okay.
- But if God exists and I dont believe in God, God will
- send me to hell.
- 3. So it is a good idea to believe in God.
-
- In these and similar arguments, one progresses from a state
- of maximum information-theoretic entropy (not knowing anything)
- to a state of lower entropy (being capable of making a decision)
- without external influence which violates the second law of
- thermodynamics. For a precise connection between information
- and thermodynamic entropies, refer papers/books on Maxwell's
- Demon (Brillouin : Science and Information, Leo Szilard, etc).
- >From a mathematical point of view, it can be shown using the
- concavity of entropy functional that the two states are indeed
- characterized by two different probability distributions. But
- the change has no logical basis. The logical conclusion from
- Abhay's premise ("We dont know what is good for us and what
- is not") is "We cannot decide whether to desire something or
- not".
-
- RKP
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