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- From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Katharine Hepburn
- Date: 27 Jan 1993 11:10:41 -0800
- Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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- In article <15677.2b663797@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
- msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) writes:
- > In article <1k4ld7INNgd5@mizar.usc.edu>,
- > adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
- > > I think she's [Katharine Hepburn, that is] a great movie
- > > star (but one I don't care for), on the level of Bette
- > > Davis and Greta Garbo. I do not think she's a great
- > > actress, but then I don't think Davis and Garbo are great
- > > actresses either. Acting is sort of beside the point.
-
- Yes, I see that I'll need to refine that.
-
- > It strikes me that the people you call "great movie stars but not
- > great actors" are the ones who have enormous screen presence, as though
- > you look at them and think, "Ah, Garbo," and not "Ah, Ninotchka."
- > (I got the laser disc of this movie for Christmas: I was so pleased.)
-
- Yes, that is indeed part of it. Somewhere in this thread
- I wrote that the truly great movie stars -- Garbo, Davis,
- Katharine Hepburn, Dietrich -- create their own reality
- on screen. You never for a moment forget that this is a
- star; as you commented, you do look at them and think, "Ah,
- Garbo!" I don't think that's a bad thing. Far from it, in
- fact, and I'm sorry that this kind of star no longer exists.
- I love star acting, and would rather sit through Garbo in
- "Mata Hari" or "As You Desire Me", or Dietrich in "The Devil
- Is a Woman" or "The Scarlet Empress", or Davis in "Another
- Man's Poison" or "Dead Ringer", than watch the kind of fake
- star turn so common these days.
-
- > But this doesn't mean that she's not a great actress. The projection
- > of that screen presence requires great talent, I think.
-
- And one either has that screen presence or one doesn't: it's
- not the kind of thing that can be taught or manufactured (look
- at Madonna's screen career to date for an example of this).
-
- > The fact
- > that Garbo made the character of Ninotchka her own doesn't mean that
- > Ninotchka was Garbo. Compare Cyd Charisse in Silk Stockings, if you
- > need convincing that Garbo did something special with the character.
-
- Well, Silk Stockings was a mistake from the word go.
- I don't dispute the fact that Garbo did things with
- the characters she played, but I have to tell you that
- one of the things that surprised me so much when I
- saw the LA County Museum of Art retrospective (I ended
- up seeing all of her American films in the space of
- about 4 weeks) was how limited her range really was.
- That didn't change my feeling that Garbo is the
- greatest screen star of all time.
-
- > Perhaps it would help me understand what _you_ mean by "great actor"
- > if you gave me an example of someone you thought was one.
-
- Jo Van Fleet.
-
- Arne
-
-