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- From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
- Subject: Re: Barriers Remain, Out or Not
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.041851.17885@macc.wisc.edu>
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- Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
- References: <1993Jan20.074855.19431@macc.wisc.edu> <18436@autodesk.COM> <1993Jan22.081138.29847@macc.wisc.edu> <1993Jan26.230806.1397@netcom.com>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 04:18:51 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan26.230806.1397@netcom.com> onr@netcom.com
- (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan22.081138.29847@macc.wisc.edu>
- >anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
-
- >>In the population at
- >>large, we are still hated by a large majority.
-
- >I suppose I have a different view of things because of where
- >I live and work.
-
- I figgered that was part of it, at least.
-
- >I'm sure there are people around me who are personally
- >troubled by my openness, but thats their problem.
-
- Yep.
-
- >The social climate in my work place is such that homophobia
- >is much less socially acceptable than homosexuality.
-
- I think I have a fair amount of security in that regard too.
- It's quite a comfort, and helps me be aware of how few
- people get to enjoy it.
-
- >There are people who still hate others because of their race
- >or religion too, this is hatred born of ignorance.
-
- Actually, I can think of conflicts that go much deeper than
- ignorance. Northern Ireland. The Middle East. India.
- Bosnia. South Africa. In fact, just about everywhere.
-
- There are very bright people, very cultured, well-educated,
- sophisticated people, the end-products of thousands of years
- of civilization in some instances, who nevertheless hate
- with a deep, burning hatred, and even with some good
- justifications.
-
- So while in some instances ignorance is perhaps 99% of it,
- in other instances it has to be something more complex,
- because the people are not ignorant by any common definition
- of the word.
-
- Of course, we could always say, "ah yes, but they have this
- one little blind spot," which may be true but doesn't help
- us much in either understanding the situation or finding
- ways to live in close proximity without gross hostilities
- breaking out.
-
- It doesn't seem to me, however, that the kind hatred we talk
- about here the most is informed by any such complicating
- factors, and is, as you note, just plain old ignorance. The
- evidence for this claim is how many parents, however aghast
- they may be when first confronted by their LGB child, wise
- up enough to realize their fundamental human bond with the
- child.
-
- Obviously, this relates to our visibility issue; those who
- are in a position to know us as persons and not just as
- exemplars of their prejudices, fears, and guilts (not
- always, but) quite often find the hatred or bigotry replaced
- by tolerance, if not real understanding. We may not
- especially want to be *merely* tolerated, for it can be
- terribly offensive, but it is palpably better than being
- sought out for bashing or other mayhem or gross
- discrimination.
-
- >Quite frankly I cannot think of a *judgement* I could wish
- >on them that would be more unkind than to keep them in that
- >state.
-
- Understandable as far as judgments go, but in fact, think
- what a giant step it would be a get one of every four haters
- to give it up.
-
- It would be lux, yes?
-
- --
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