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- From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
- Subject: Re: Are Queens Bitchier, Really?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.224643.10527@osf.org>
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- Organization: Open Software Foundation
- References: <mattm-250193092916@mcmelmon.apple.com> <77557@apple.apple.COM> <1993Jan26.200906.23519@spdcc.com> <1993Jan27.155759.27905@spdcc.com>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:46:43 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan27.155759.27905@spdcc.com>, joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan26.200906.23519@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
- > >In article <77557@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
- > >>Clay Bond taught me, albeit indirectly, that sometimes it pays to read
- > >>past what appears, on the surface, to be hateful and vulgar.
- > >
- > >Clay Bond was never vulgar, or stupid, for that matter.
- >
- > Responses:
- > 1) I'm touch typing blind right now, upon reading the last sentence
- > my eyeballs shot out of my head and lodged in the wall opposite, I'm
- > going to have to replace them with some new leica lenses.
-
- While not necessarily disagreeing with what follows, I have to ask:
- don't nobody around here know how to read?
-
- I assume the lack of parallelism between Richard's adjectives and
- Steve's is deliberate. Steve's remark makes much more sense if you
- note that he carefully does not deny that Clay could be hateful.
-
- > 2) Clay was never vulgar or stupid except when he was. His vulgarity
- > was that he never debated with someone that he didn't descend simply
- > into personal attack, and his stupidity was that he chose his enemies
- > poorly, people who were uninterested, incapable or afraid of attack.
- > Both defects when elaborated in his writing created a kind of ennui.
-
- Besides which, calling people shit-for-brains is vulgar. That doesn't
- mean that it's necessarily bad in all cases or contexts, mind you.
-
- I don't think Clay was or is stupid, but he did a damn good imitation
- of stupidity sometimes, in his steadfast refusal to go the effort of
- figuring out what people really meant (while at the same time
- maintaining that their failure to understand what *he* meant was
- evidence of their stupidity).
-
- And, for the most part, I'd rather read Bond than Melmon anytime. This
- doesn't say much about what I think of them as people, since I've
- never met either of them.
-
- For the record: Matthew's comments about people getting what they
- deserve (you all know what I'm talking about) were, indeed, hateful,
- vulgar, stupid, and thoroughly offensive.
-
- >
- > Melmon writes, as opposed to those who type. That's usually enough to
- > pass for wit and intelligence, well that worked for Clay.
-
- Oh, come on, Joseph. If you "wrote" the way he does, but in the volume
- that you do, we'd all have stopped reading you long ago. "Wit" and
- "intelligence"? Yeah, like Joan Rivers.
-