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- From: wyatt@ccu.umanitoba.ca (David Anthony Wyatt)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: List of GLBO* Historical and Celebrity Figures Part 1
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- Date: 26 Jan 93 17:19:21 GMT
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- Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Historical and Celebrity Figures
-
- There are several good questions worth asking about a list such as this.
- Among them are:
-
- 1. Are these listings "proven" or accurate? Are the sources reliable?
- 2. Are these people really gay/lesbian/bisexual?
- 3. Why so many men and so few women?
- 4. What is the point of such a list anyway?
-
- There are many reasonable answers to each question, but here are mine:
-
- 1. These sources aren't particularly reliable. None are. Authorities that
- range from thorough professional biographies to rumours disagree on just who
- is/was or isn't/wasn't, and have about the same track record for accuracy.
- There is also a substantial cross-pollination between list-makers. An erroneous
- listing will show up again and again on other sources.
-
- 2. Perhaps the acid test is: "Which of them would have self-identified as gay,
- lesbian or bisexual?" The answer is "few." Different cultures and different
- times would have made the admission impossible for some, and ridiculous for
- others. Often the evidence surrounding a medieval figure is a single remark
- or a curious juxtaposition of events or persons. Hardly conclusive evidence.
-
- 3. The gender balance of the list reflects at least two factors. One is the
- gender of the compiler and the kinds of sources used. Second is the place of
- women in most societies and times, where celebrity or positions of historical
- noteworthness were difficult or impossible to achieve.
-
- 4. There is no point to such a list. Famous gays and lesbians do not validate
- the existance of non-famous gays and lesbians. Centuries of closeted men and
- women likewise adds no cachet of validity to today's men and women. The only
- point can be "curiousity".
-
- Read on, and enjoy.
-
- REFERENCES
-
- AA
- "People" chapter of the _Alyson_Almanac_, 1st ed., Boston: Alyson Publications,
- 1989.
- The strong distinction between homosexual and heterosexual,
- which many people now consider to be so important, has not
- existed in all times and cultures. Some of the individuals
- listed here would not have considered themselves to be gay,
- or lesbian, or bisexual -- for many, that terminology did
- not even exist. ... The gay or bisexual orientation of most
- individuals listed here is well established. For some,
- however, the evidence is circumstantial, or based on rumor;
- ... ---AA p. 142
-
-
- BOL
- Wallechinsky, David, Irving Wallice and Amy Wallace. "67 Renowned Homosexuals
- and Bisexuals," _The_Book_of_Lists_, New York: Bantam Books, 1977.
- With the assistance of the researchers of the _Advocate_,
- ... lists have been assembled of the leading female and
- male homosexuals from past times to the present. Included,
- also, are celebrated persons who were ... bisexual. In
- noting modern-day names we have confined ourselves to those
- who have announced or publicly discussed their homosexuality.
- ---BOL p. 336
-
- GGG
- various authors, "Great Gay Guys" column appearing regularly in _Guys_. June
- 1992 column titled "Great Gay Gals."
-
- NSGGG
- various authors, "Not So Great Gay Guys" column appearing occasionally in
- _Guys_.
-
- GBOL-
- Rutledge, Leigh W., _The_Gay_Book_of_Lists_, Boston: Allyson Publications, 1987.
-
- -once
- "24 Famous People Who Acknowledged Having Had at Least One Homosexual Experience
- in their Lives"
-
- -bro
- "7 Famous Gay Men Who Also Had a Gay Brother"
-
- -forces
- "20 Famous Gay or Bisexual Men Who Served in the U.S. Armed Forces"
-
- -popes
- "Heavenly Fathers: 6 Gay or Bisexual Popes"
-
- LS
- Southerland, Lori, "List of LesBiGay Musicians," an article posted to the USENET
- news group _soc.motss_ 24 Oct 92 19:06:39 GMT by loris@yang.earlham.edu
- ...not everyone on this list has jumped up and said, "I'm QUEER!" but
- there has been documentation that they are supporters of lesbians/
- bisexuals/gays
-
- MH
- Hertzog, Mark, "The List of Living, Famous "Out" People: Here It Is!", an
- article posted to the electronic discussion _GayNet_ Mon, 12 Oct 92 00:10:27 EDT
- by mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU
- Here, at last, is the list of names of living, famous or notable "out"
- people, in alphabetical order. ... Please give special thanks to Ellen
- Greenblatt in Buffalo, who sent the most recent edition of "Famous or
- Distinguished Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals: A List of Names," which she
- helped prepare for the Gay & Lesbian Task Force of the American Library
- Association. ...
- ONE IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: I am relying on second-hand information. I
- use only that which I judge to be reliable and have made reasonable
- efforts to verify those names included, but it is possible that I
- inadvertantly may have identified someone as les/bi/gay who is not.
- I apologize in advance if this was done, and will retract any such
- name if it belongs to a heterosexual. ... A list of some living,
- famous people who have publicly acknowledged that they are lesbian,
- gay or bisexual (as of October 1992)
- -not
- I include these names in that they were passed along by people who
- believed, and in some cases insisted, that they were out of the
- closet--that is, had publicly acknowledged being gay, lesbian or
- bisexual. I have verified that, to date, they have not.
-
- NF
- Fink, N. "Homosexual and Bisexual Rulers, and When they Ruled," an article
- posted to the USENET news group _alt.sex.motss_ 7 Mar 92 15:36:29 GMT
- by fink2@alcor.concordia.ca (NFink)
-
- OOAT
- Boughner, Terry, _Out_of_All_Time:_A_Gay_and_Lesbian_History_, Boston: Alyson
- Publications, 1988.
-
- TM
- Mansfield, Tim, "My Very Own Out List", an article posted to the USENET group
- _soc.motss_ 25 Sep 92 05:06:04 GMT by timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au (Tim Mansfield)
- Inspired by the recent discussion of famous living out people in
- bit.listserv.gaynet, I've decided to post my list of queer men
- and women that I've painstakingly compiled from various postings
- in motss and gaynet.
-
- I've taken out the doubtfuls, the speculations and the did-it-once-
- but-I'm-het-now, crowd as not interesting.
-
- --
- ---David Wyatt
- Internet: David_Wyatt@UManitoba.CA Continuing Education Division
- Bitnet: WYATT@UOFMCC University of Manitoba DOWNTOWN
- Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2
-