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- From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
- Subject: Re: Into the streets!
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.221021.6834@osf.org>
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- Organization: Open Software Foundation
- References: <lm0q29INN793@news.bbn.com> <C1DHHu.EDn@agora.rain.com> <RHAYDEN.93Jan25141553@hqsun2.oracle.com> <1993Jan26.181703.19147@spdcc.com>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:10:21 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan26.181703.19147@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
- > It's worse than that. The whole "gays in the military"
- > stuff has serious consequences. The phobe backbone is now using
- > this as a tool to motivate people to pass CO2-like (and possibly
- > OR9-like) amendments in 1994 (or sooner) esp. if the ban gets lifted.
- > In other words, we might have a much harder fight on a much larger
- > scale if the ban gets lifted right away.
- >
- > Is the ban a good thing? Of course not. But pardon me from
- > wanting to rank things like equal rights for everyone against
- > a specific career opportuninty for a few.
-
- There's a couple of things about this line of argument that I find
- very troubling. You're proposing that we concede ground on a
- high-visibility item -- one with very strong *symbolic* effect -- for
- fear that it will encourage a backlash. But the appearance of weakness
- if we lose this one will encourage a backlash anyway.
-
- > If Clinton pushes too hard, and Congress resets the policy
- > (they set the terms for military law and can outact an exec order)
- > it will send the message to every state that it is possible and
- > prudent to "stop" the gay agenda. Or "gay people have pushed too far".
- > This will have an effect on the heterosexual clueless (presumably
- > the voting block that passed CO:2) who are easily swayed by any
- > anti-gay argument since 1) it doesn't affect them and 2) it's
- > safer [to them] to vote against something than worry about the
- > possible consequences to a bunch of people that are invisible anyway.
-
- This is the "don't be too pushy" argument. If we're not pushy, we will
- get *nothing*, and deserve it. I'm fed up with this one.
-
- Anyway, at this point, the issue already has high visibility, and
- Clinton is already out front on it. If he backs down on this one, the
- damage to our causes will be incalculable.
-