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- From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Sexual harassment from queers
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.123528.6666@spdcc.com>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 12:35:28 GMT
- Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan26.123528.6666
- References: <1993Jan25.115423.20933@schbbs.mot.com> <1k0tggINN154@oak4.doc.ic.ac.uk>
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- In article <1k0tggINN154@oak4.doc.ic.ac.uk> kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk (K Campbell) writes:
- >
- >In article <1993Jan25.115423.20933@schbbs.mot.com>,
- > TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler) writes:
- >|>
- >|> one thing I *have* noticed is that there seems to be a lot of
- >|> contempt for other sexual-minority (or sub-minority) groups
- >|> i.e. people who have other sexual interests as well as their
- >|> sexual 'base' (gay/lesbian/het/bi) from gay people.
- >
- >I feel obliged to join in here. Frequently I have been embarrassed,
- >nay, annoyed, by the attitude of some gay friends to straight people.
- >In particular, I know of people who complain that they cannot kiss the
- >partner of their choice in "normal" public bar, and then they go on to
- >criticise the straight couple with the audacity to snog in a gay place
- >(or even a bi couple who just happen to be male/female). To me this is
- >unquestionably hypocritical.
-
- I usually tell people like that to get over You are, however, in a
- curious position in England, since it is illegal for men to kiss in
- public. The better approach might be to remind the people that they
- are in a queer 'space' and that the gay men there are reminded of
- their lack of civil rights by their displays of oral bonding; perhaps
- they should be more sensitive to this. Or, just get more gay men to
- kiss in the bar and everyone gets over it. Or, move to France. I think
- in most cases calling attention to other people's behavior except when
- it is to deflate an ego is unpleasant.
-
- >I also get mightily pissed off by some gay mens' atitude to women
- >generally, and lesbians specifically. Maybe this is just a British or
- >even Scottish thing, but it could well be the case elsewhere. There is
- >some really bad attitude in fellow queers. I sometimes find myself
- >wondering who is more intolerant: the sort of people with this anti-het
- >attitude, or some of the milder of the various 'phobes that are around
-
- Oppression is a style, prejudices are its fashions. Things go in and
- out of fashion, but styles rarely change. (I think Rock and Roll style
- is more becoming on the whole; it works well in the Netherlands.)
- Lesbigays sometimes are known to be fashion victims, in all senses of
- the word. I would characterize it as being a problem of Style Deficit
- Disorder on everyone's part.
-
- --
- US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
-